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    i was talking with some friends of mine who have some issuise of dragon mag and there were some articles about the top three worlds wizards meeting to talke and trade spells. for DL it was Rasilin, for GH it was Mordincine and for FG good old Elminster. Who is BR main man of magic? is it the magian or that elf who resides in lichgate? if so who is the most powerfull human wizard? could some one give me there 3ed states or storY?

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    iles as the main man.. er elf. If you go by the

    Gorgon multiclassed as wizard, then the Gorgon would be the second most

    dangerous mage (like he needs to cast stoneskin!). Top dangerous is

    theoretically the magian.



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    marcum uth mather wrote:

    i was talking with some friends of mine who have some issuise of

    dragon mag and there were some articles about the top three worlds

    wizards meeting to talke and trade spells. for DL it was Rasilin, for GH

    it was Mordincine and for FG good old Elminster. Who is BR main man of

    magic? is it the magian or that elf who resides in lichgate? if so who

    is the most powerfull human wizard? could some one give me there 3ed

    states or storY?

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    nly met were Elminster, Mordenkainen, and Dalamar the

    elf (Master of the Black Robes).



    The Magian is the most powerful caster on the Continent of Cerilia as far as

    the Awnsheighlin go. The High Mage Aelies is 16th level and the most

    powerful in the lands of Anuire as far as "good guys" go; but the Gorgon

    himself is 16th level as a wizard and Rhuobhe is 15th level...I would place

    my money on either of these over the High Mage in a battle.



    Most people don`t know about her, or just forget her, but Llaeddra is the

    Grand Mistress of the Kingdom of Lluabraight and she is an Arch-Mage (18th

    level). Because she has ruled for over 100 years and has extensive Sources

    (many of level 9 power) along with the majority of the Twelve Gems of

    Arborea (minor artifact) I would honestly count her as the most powerful

    Wizard in all of Cerilia...perhaps with a truthfully grudging first place to

    the Magian.



    Since she doesn`t like anyone though...and wouldn`t meet with anyone like

    "the Three" in their meetings, I guess it still falls back to the High Mage

    Aelies who would ever represent Cerilia. Unless you want to include an

    Awnsheigh that is.





    Tony





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    marcum uth mather wrote:

    i was talking with some friends of mine who have some issuise of

    dragon mag and there were some articles about the top three worlds wizards

    meeting to talke and trade spells. for DL it was Rasilin, for GH it was

    Mordincine and for FG good old Elminster. Who is BR main man of magic? is

    it the magian or that elf who resides in lichgate? if so who is the most

    powerfull human wizard? could some one give me there 3ed states or storY?



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    Hmm, I&#39;d have to say that the most dangerous magic user in Cerilia is not the Gorgon or the Magian, although both are very powerful, but rather a being that lives in southern Vosgaard.
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    I would vote for the Silver Servant of Zoloskaya, though he may not be the

    highest level he is an original Vos prior to the corruption of Azrai. He

    was there at Deismaar and knows Rournil personally.



    Popularity wise I think either Caine or Aelies would get it. The

    chamberlain may even have a shot.



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    ive done some quick clancing and i cant find stats for the silver servent or Aelies does any one have any more info please.

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    ge -----

    From: "marcum uth mather" <brnetboard@BIRTHRIGHT.NET>

    Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:41 AM





    > I`ve done some quick clancing and i cant find stats for the

    > silver servent or Aelies does any one have any more info please.



    Aelies is detailed in the Book of Magecraft. The Silver Servant is detailed

    in the write-up for Zoloskaya in Tribes of the Heartless Waste.



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    I think I&#39;d say Rhuobhe. Why, because he is an elf (thus immortal) and even though not documented there is no reason to beleive that he did not know personnaly the present human deities when they were only humans. He probably fought against Haelyn even before Deismaar.

    Now as far as the original question goes and the council of mages - the only one mentioned in this thread so far who could conceivable attend would be Aelies - since he is the only one that is not an Awnshegh and is more "famous" and relatively more powerful than is Caine.

    But I also put him at a severely lower arcane power level than the present members of the council due to the uniqueness of Cerilian arcane magic. On Cerilia he is as powerful as the others on their respective settings due to the rarity of arcane magic (and requirement of a bloodline or elven blood for true magic) but when put in the same room as the others he really doesn&#39;t measure up.

    But Birthright isn&#39;t really about who can cast the biggest fireball after all is it?
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    lly have the BR equivalent of Elminster (a merit of the

    setting IMO.) There are a few possibilities, however.



    I remember reading up a description of Elminster someplace (don`t recall

    where) and he has several god-like powers. It seems to me this write up

    was pre-ELH, so I don`t know if they would now be interpreted as simply 21+

    level effects, but they struck me at the time as being definitely on the

    demi-deity side of the power scale. It`s not much of a stretch to

    interpret such powers as the non-BR equivalent of a bloodline, so aside

    from the fact that only blooded characters can cast true magic in BR, a

    scion is probably in order rather than a commoner. When it comes to which

    character in the BR playbill fits into a similar power scale, however,

    there really isn`t one. Candidates like Aelies or the Swan Mage are

    actually rather low level. You have to go with one of the more divine

    spellcasters like the Magian or the occasional reclusive elf to get

    anywhere in the ballpark, and even then they probably come off like

    Elminster`s kid brother/sister by comparison. Of course, several of the

    immortal elves would probably qualify as being 60th level or so by now

    given several millennia of practising The Art, but straight out of the

    books as written there`s not a whole lot of characters that are of the 40+

    level range.



    Unless... you consider one of the humans elevated to godhood by

    Deismaar. Rournil seems like the most likely Elminster equivalent given

    his emphasis, role in the campaign world, etc. but one could certainly make

    an argument for Avani. The other gods are proportionately less like

    Elminster given their relationship to other character classes. Laerme does

    occasionally involve herself with mortal activities and is probably the

    third best candidate.



    Thematically, probably the most apt non-deity (we think) character is

    Caliedhe Dosiere, the Chamberlain of the Imperial City. He`s got a similar

    "observer/documentor/narrator" kind of thing going on in addition to his

    magical emphasis. He`s not very high level, of course, in his RoE write

    up. Unless that`s merely his avatar....



    Gary

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    it is a question of comparing levels because neither

    Mordenkainen nor Dalamar compare to Elminster. (come to think of it neither

    does Raistlin) It seems to me to be more of a representative of the

    campaign world that is recognizable to players. Since Aelies (aka. High

    Mage) is the only character with a novel written about him by Richard Baker

    from the Birthright setting I`d say he is the most likely candidate, if the

    Pages from the Mages articles kept going. However I`d still put my vote in

    for the Silver Servant since his devotion to magic included the original god

    and the new one who he was a herald for. Ideally he is the best

    representative for magic aside from the Temple of Rilni but I don`t think we

    was written up well enough so his presence in Cerilia is generally unknown.

    Therefore I still think Aelies would be chosen.











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    > irdeggman wrote:

    > I think I`d say Rhuobhe. Why, because he is an elf (thus immortal) and

    >even though not documented there is no reason to beleive that he did not

    >know personnaly the present human deities when they were only humans. He

    >probably fought against Haelyn even before Deismaar.

    >

    > Now as far as the original question goes and the council of mages - the

    >only one mentioned in this thread so far who could conceivable attend would

    >be Aelies - since he is the only one that is not an Awnshegh and is more

    >"famous" and relatively more powerful than is Caine.

    >

    > But I also put him at a severely lower arcane power level than the

    >present members of the council due to the uniqueness of Cerilian arcane

    >magic. On Cerilia he is as powerful as the others on their respective

    >settings due to the rarity of arcane magic (and requirement of a bloodline

    >or elven blood for true magic) but when put in the same room as the others

    >he really doesn`t measure up.

    >

    > But Birthright isn`t really about who can cast the biggest fireball after

    >all is it? ;)

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