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04-10-2003, 03:14 AM #1
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In Table 5-12 on page 98, the sequence of play (SOP) for resolving domain rounds is as follows: 1) Events & News 2) Domain Actions are Resolved and 3) War Moves & Battles.
Pg 122 Strategic Warfare at the end of the first paragraph says that war moves are resolved before any domain actions for the month are resolved.
This seems to contradict. Do I have this right?
Also if War Moves are resolved before Domain Actions, doesn't that mean when a regent making war moves in a Domain Round when his/her turn comes up for Domain Actions in the same Domain Round they must take the Move Troops action with one of their available actions?
Thanks
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04-10-2003, 09:49 PM #2
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On Thu, 2003-04-10 at 13:14, zshahroody wrote:
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zshahroody wrote:
In Table 5-12 on page 98, the sequence of play (SOP) for resolving domain
rounds is as follows: 1) Events & News 2) Domain Actions are Resolved
and 3) War Moves & Battles.
Pg 122 Strategic Warfare at the end of the first paragraph says that war
moves are resolved before any domain actions for the month are resolved.
This seems to contradict. Do I have this right?
It IS very confusing. You are right, but it doesn`t actually contradict.
I had to read it, re-read it, and re-read it again.
Also if War Moves are resolved before Domain Actions, doesn`t that mean
when a regent making war moves in a Domain Round has his/her turn come up
for Domain Actions in the same Domain Round they must take the Move Troops
action with one of their available actions?
No. You don`t. To move troops for a war move to attack on provinces
other than your own you have to take a "Declare War" action, If you have
used a "Move Troops" action and someone attacks you, and you wish to
respond (usually the case) you have the option of reversing some or all
of your "Move Troops" action.
The war card rules are workable, but quite clumsily written. The
die-hard war-gamers out there will advise using some other system. Of
course, that may well be more complicated but still more easily
understood. (another seeming contradiction)
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04-10-2003, 10:50 PM #3
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> In Table 5-12 on page 98, the sequence of play (SOP) for resolving domain
> rounds is as follows: 1) Events & News 2) Domain Actions are Resolved
> and 3) War Moves & Battles.
>
> Pg 122 Strategic Warfare at the end of the first paragraph says that war
> moves are resolved before any domain actions for the month are resolved.
>
> This seems to contradict. Do I have this right?
>
>It IS very confusing. You are right, but it doesn`t actually contradict.
>I had to read it, re-read it, and re-read it again.
Please explain...
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04-13-2003, 03:17 PM #4
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I wrote
"In Table 5-12 on page 98, the sequence of play (SOP) for resolving domain
rounds is as follows: 1) Events & News 2) Domain Actions are Resolved
and 3) War Moves & Battles.
Pg 122 Strategic Warfare at the end of the first paragraph says that war
moves are resolved before any domain actions for the month are resolved.
This seems to contradict. Do I have this right?"
Peter replied
"It IS very confusing. You are right, but it doesn`t actually contradict.
I had to read it, re-read it, and re-read it again."
Apologies if I am being dense, but how does it not conflict? Maybe a better question is, can someone walk me through an example of how it is supposed to work?
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06-25-2003, 03:08 PM #5
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anyone?
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06-25-2003, 03:16 PM #6
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" On Thu, 2003-04-10 at 13:14, zshahroody wrote:
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zshahroody wrote:
In Table 5-12 on page 98, the sequence of play (SOP) for resolving domain
rounds is as follows: 1) Events & News 2) Domain Actions are Resolved
and 3) War Moves & Battles.
Pg 122 Strategic Warfare at the end of the first paragraph says that war
moves are resolved before any domain actions for the month are resolved.
This seems to contradict. Do I have this right?
Peter replied
It IS very confusing. You are right, but it doesn`t actually contradict.
I had to read it, re-read it, and re-read it again.
zshahroody wrote
Also if War Moves are resolved before Domain Actions, doesn`t that mean
when a regent making war moves in a Domain Round has his/her turn come up
for Domain Actions in the same Domain Round they must take the Move Troops
action with one of their available actions?
Peter replied
No. You don`t. To move troops for a war move to attack on provinces
other than your own you have to take a "Declare War" action, If you have
used a "Move Troops" action and someone attacks you, and you wish to
respond (usually the case) you have the option of reversing some or all
of your "Move Troops" action.
The war card rules are workable, but quite clumsily written. The
die-hard war-gamers out there will advise using some other system. Of
course, that may well be more complicated but still more easily
understood. (another seeming contradiction)"
zshahroody replied to Peter's comments above
Declare Ware action? Could not find this listed among the domain actions. Closest was Decree but that did not seem to imply any material effect on War Moves.
I don't care much for the War Card method itself, however, I am trying to understand the strategic military movement b/c that can be used w/ any mass combat resolution system. Any help/clarification is appreciated.
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06-25-2003, 07:46 PM #7
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On Thu, Apr 10, 2003 at 05:14:29AM +0200, zshahroody wrote:
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> You can view the entire thread at: http://www.birthright.net/read.php?TID=1557
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> zshahroody wrote:
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> In Table 5-12 on page 98, the sequence of play (SOP) for resolving domain rounds is as follows: 1) Events & News 2) Domain Actions are Resolved and 3) War Moves & Battles.
>
> Pg 122 Strategic Warfare at the end of the first paragraph says that war moves are resolved before any domain actions for the month are resolved.
>
> This seems to contradict. Do I have this right?
They contradict. The playtest text should indicate that War moves are
resoved after domain actions are resolved. Added to the errata list.
Thanks.
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06-25-2003, 09:37 PM #8KalienGuestThey contradict. The playtest text should indicate that War moves are resoved after domain actions are resolved. Added to the errata list. Thanks.
I may be a bit dense on this as no one really offered any explanation in the posts above, but it seems at first glance to me that perhaps War Moves should be resolved before domain actions. A regent who is attacked is allowed to respond and defend their lands, but if their domain action has already been dealt with they don't get a second one to then deal with the invasion. But if War Moves are dealt with first, then the defending regent can respond with War Moves instead of with their planned domain action.
Sorry if this idea contradicts something else in the Rulebook but I don't have it with me to check at the moment. (So am probably forgeting something blindingly obvious).
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06-25-2003, 10:56 PM #9
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Kalien raises a good point. If the regent initiating hostilities takes the Domain Action "Move Troops" and the target does not take that domain action, when the War Moves phase comes around the target does not get to make responsive War Moves? Doesn't seem right.
At the same time, if War Moves are handled prior to Domain Actions, units will move and the target will respond before domain actions are declared. This would in effect require both regents then to take the domain action Move Troops. A little bit clunky but workable.
Thoughts?
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06-26-2003, 03:42 AM #10
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, Kalien wrote:
> I may be a bit dense on this as no one really offered any explanation in
> the posts above, but it seems at first glance to me that perhaps War
> Moves should be resolved before domain actions. A regent who is
> attacked is allowed to respond and defend their lands, but if their
> domain action has already been dealt with they don`t get a second one
> to then deal with the invasion. But if War Moves are dealt with first,
> then the defending regent can respond with War Moves instead of
> with their planned domain action.
You already get war moves in response to an invasion. You can`t
counter-invade, but that`s fine, because a month later you can respond,
and if someone invades, there should be a little period of time before you
can get your shit together and counter-attack.
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Daniel McSorley
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