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    William Bolitho wrote:

    > Dependant on how you say bloodlines run... probably included Regeneration
    > and possibly Major Regeneration... since his sister slept with the
    > Gorgon,
    > and upon leaving that encounter, said, "If it were not for the Roele
    > bloodline, I would be dead," or something to that effect...

    That might as well be only the minor Healing ability. The chamberlain
    used it to no avail when Michaels wife died in "child"birth.
    bye
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    On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Michael Romes wrote:
    > > Dependant on how you say bloodlines run... probably included Regeneration
    > > and possibly Major Regeneration... since his sister slept with the
    > > Gorgon,
    > > and upon leaving that encounter, said, "If it were not for the Roele
    > > bloodline, I would be dead," or something to that effect...
    >
    > That might as well be only the minor Healing ability. The chamberlain
    > used it to no avail when Michaels wife died in "child"birth.

    But that doesn`t mean Michael Roele had any of those. Bloodline abilities
    don`t run in families, but in derivations.
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    daniel mcsorley wrote:

    >On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Michael Romes wrote:
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    >>>Dependant on how you say bloodlines run... probably included Regeneration
    >>>and possibly Major Regeneration... since his sister slept with the
    >>>Gorgon,
    >>>and upon leaving that encounter, said, "If it were not for the Roele
    >>>bloodline, I would be dead," or something to that effect...
    >>>
    >>That might as well be only the minor Healing ability. The chamberlain
    >>used it to no avail when Michaels wife died in "child"birth.
    >>
    >But that doesn`t mean Michael Roele had any of those. Bloodline abilities
    >don`t run in families, but in derivations.
    >
    In some of the novels it is hinted, that certain familys share certain
    bloodabilities.
    e.g. all members of the Roele family might have Courage (Great) or all
    guilders of the Hirele family cannot be fooled in a negotation (Detect Lie).

    I like to see it that way and so Michael might share the abilitys of the
    other members of the Roele line. So his sisters ability would likely run
    in his veins, too.
    bye
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    On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Michael Romes wrote:
    > In some of the novels it is hinted, that certain familys share certain
    > bloodabilities.
    > e.g. all members of the Roele family might have Courage (Great) or all
    > guilders of the Hirele family cannot be fooled in a negotation (Detect Lie).
    >
    > I like to see it that way and so Michael might share the abilitys of the
    > other members of the Roele line. So his sisters ability would likely run
    > in his veins, too.

    The book doesn`t support that. Laera, the only sister we really see,
    shows no evidence of Iron Will, Courage, Divine Aura, or Divine Rage, the
    abilities attributed to Michael. The younger Boeruine doesn`t show Divine
    Rage, even though his father does. Neither do the rules from the original
    boxed set. So it`s just wishful thinking.
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    On Sun, 2003-04-06 at 03:34, daniel mcsorley wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Michael Romes wrote:
    > > Dependant on how you say bloodlines run... probably included Regeneration
    > > and possibly Major Regeneration... since his sister slept with the
    > > Gorgon,
    > > and upon leaving that encounter, said, "If it were not for the Roele
    > > bloodline, I would be dead," or something to that effect...
    >
    > That might as well be only the minor Healing ability. The chamberlain
    > used it to no avail when Michaels wife died in "child"birth.

    But that doesn`t mean Michael Roele had any of those. Bloodline abilities
    don`t run in families, but in derivations.

    I have never seen anything to say that blood abilities do not run in
    families. Given that full inheritance of a bloodline comes complete with
    a full set of the original blood abilities - and, given that a natural
    heir would also be blooded (assuming that the donor was blooded from
    birth themselves), it would be consistent to say that the natural heirs
    blood abilities prior to gaining the full bloodline of their donor
    parent was a sub-set of that parents abilities.

    So, in cases where bloodlines are inherited by natural children - it
    would be most likely that blood abilities do run in families. (In my
    opinion)

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    On Sun, 2003-04-06 at 04:44, daniel mcsorley wrote:
    On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Michael Romes wrote:
    > In some of the novels it is hinted, that certain familys share certain
    > bloodabilities.
    > e.g. all members of the Roele family might have Courage (Great) or all
    > guilders of the Hirele family cannot be fooled in a negotation (Detect Lie).
    >
    > I like to see it that way and so Michael might share the abilitys of the
    > other members of the Roele line. So his sisters ability would likely run
    > in his veins, too.

    The book doesn`t support that. Laera, the only sister we really see,
    shows no evidence of Iron Will, Courage, Divine Aura, or Divine Rage, the
    abilities attributed to Michael. The younger Boeruine doesn`t show Divine
    Rage, even though his father does. Neither do the rules from the original
    boxed set. So it`s just wishful thinking.
    --
    The lack of an ability from the parents sets of abilities does not
    support the alternate hypothesis. (that bloodlines do not run in
    families)

    A child will likely have a weaker blood score and thus fewer abilities.
    Even a child with an almost equal blood score due to two blooded parents
    will only be allowed a subset of the combined parent abilities.

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    Its likely that bloodlines would be not unlike other heritable traits. Some
    traits would be derived from father`s bloodline, some from mother`s, and
    some from grandparents which were not manifest in mother or father, but
    whose potential were present.

    Kenneth Gauck
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    Originally posted by DanMcSorley

    The book doesn`t support that. Laera, the only sister we really see, shows no evidence of Iron Will, Courage, Divine Aura, or Divine Rage, the abilities attributed to Michael. The younger Boeruine doesn`t show Divine Rage, even though his father does. Neither do the rules from the original boxed set. So it`s just wishful thinking.
    Oh yes, we see that from Laera, at least Iron Will and Courage. I wouldn't come in my most horrifying dreams to the opinion, I want to sleep with the gorgon. She only could do that, BECAUSE she HAS Iron Will AND Courage (and she survived that because of her regeneration blood ability, but that's nothing new). Maybe a low Int and Wis score is indeed something normal for Roele's blood.
    May Khirdai always bless your sword and his lightning struck your enemies!

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    At 08:49 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Kenneth Gauck wrote:

    >Its likely that bloodlines would be not unlike other heritable traits. Some
    >traits would be derived from father`s bloodline, some from mother`s, and
    >some from grandparents which were not manifest in mother or father, but
    >whose potential were present.

    There are a few examples that would suggest that not only are bloodlines
    heritable in the way that the rules spell out, but that blood abilities are
    as well. Several of the Sielehr`s guardians (BoM 80) are descended from a
    "patriarch" who has the Long Life blood ability. That doesn`t mean they
    didn`t get their blood abilities randomly since there were dozens of scions
    involved in the events described in that item`s history, but it could be
    taken as evidence. The Blood History ability needn`t be inherited either
    necessarily, but it would make sense.

    The question is, if one wanted to reflect blood abilities being inherited
    how might that be reflected in a set of rules? One could use d4`s and do a
    little dominant/recessive, Mendel kind thing, assuming that the stronger
    parental bloodline is the dominant allele (bloodallele?) in which a blood
    ability is inherited only when the dominant "bloodgene" does not
    appear: The Punnett square would then look like:

    BB Bb
    Bb bb

    So Table Xx: Blood Ability Inheritance would be:

    1-3 Inherit parent`s blood ability.
    4 New blood ability.

    New blood abilities might also be the dominant factor, meaning the results
    of the table above would be switched. That would probably be more in
    keeping with frequency of inheritance as presented in the published materials.

    Or one could assume that the "genes" of a blood ability from both parents
    are similarly dominant and that new blood abilities appear when the
    bloodalleles appear heterozygously on the Punnett square, which would make
    Table #Xx look like this:

    1 Father`s blood ability.
    2-3 New blood ability.
    4 Mother`s blood ability.

    Of course, there`s no reason to assume that bloodlines really ascribe to
    Mendel, and it opens up the concept to the prospect of certain blood
    abilities dying out while others get selected more and more successfully,
    but it is an amusing possibility.

    Gary

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    > The book doesn`t support that. Laera, the only sister we really see,
    > shows no evidence of Iron Will, Courage, Divine Aura, or Divine Rage, the
    > abilities attributed to Michael. The younger Boeruine doesn`t show Divine
    > Rage, even though his father does. Neither do the rules from the original
    > boxed set. So it`s just wishful thinking.

    I do think that there is a tendency for members of a family to have similar
    blood powers, but I would argue that it is due to shared environment more
    than to shared inheritance. That is, offspring tend to learn how to use
    their divine blood in part from listening to and watching their parents, and
    thus tend to develop similar powers. Also, families that tend to emphasize
    weapons training and vigorous activies are more likely to develop a certain
    set of skills in their offspring that those who emphasize etiquette and
    education or intrigue and fast wits. They determine what kind of power the
    growing kid is most likely to "reach for" at the point when their powers are
    starting to form and develop.

    Needless to say, this pattern can easily be construed as being due to
    inheritance, regardless of whether that is its true source.

    Mark V.

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