d20 Q`s

[Birthright-L]

Arjan, you have made a great job on this project - there is no real reason
to complain. But we have two distinct communities - the mailing list
community, and the message board community - and the traditions of these
communities sometimes clash. It is as simple as that.

If we can all be polite and tolerant we can avoid this clash escalating!

/Carl

From: "Arjan" <arjan@BIRTHRIGHT.NET>

> Look, I did the best i could to intergrate the forum AND the mailinglist.
> The script isnt perfect but still a very good addon for both info systems.
> I am still figuring out how to perfect the script so that both sides are
> happy with it.
>

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[irdeggman]

On stone versus wood bridges - one of my players built a stone bridge and essentially ended up cutting off the ability to quickly move troops up river since any ship capable of carrying any useful number of troops was too large to fit under his stone bridge.;)

[Birthright-L]

My players did this - on purpose. After having been subject to one too many
naval raids up the river, they built a combined fortress and bridge to block
river passage. This also required that all cargoes be re-loaded at their
port, where taxing them was easy. So it works both ways.

/Carl


> irdeggman wrote:
> On stone versus wood bridges - one of my players built a stone bridge and
> essentially ended up cutting off the ability to quickly move troops up
river
> since any ship capable of carrying any useful number of troops was too
large
> to fit under his stone bridge.;)

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[Ariadne]

Originally posted by Arjan

Look, I did the best i could to intergrate the forum AND the mailinglist. The script isnt perfect but still a very good addon for both info systems. I am still figuring out howto perfect the script so that both sides are happy with it. So far only a hand full is complaining.....

You realy did a great job! My comment should have been only a general information and should represent the "advantages" of the forum part. I didn't want to get insulting to someone...

[Peter Lubke]

On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 13:33, Ryan B. Caveney wrote:

On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Ariadne wrote:

> If you still prefer using BR-L, quote like this:
>

Text, text, text

Nope, not gonna do it. I will always like the email list vastly better,
and tailor my presentation to its natural format.

Ryan Caveney

me too

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[Peter Lubke]

On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 17:42, Raesene Andu wrote:

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Raesene Andu wrote:

Originally posted by Mourn

1. Ferry`s, as already suggested would be a good way to move good around,
or perhaps barges and riverboats. The novel WAR talks a little about the
various ways of transporting goods downriver to the Imperial City, which
I imagine means a trade route. The Ferry (in one form or another) has
been around virtually forever...

Personally, where a port city exists on a map, I assume that ships
visit. I also assume that such ships can get to the other side of the
river at some point even if not a a port. Therefore a route exists from
one side of the river to another (as long as you control a ship that
is).

2. I`d always go with stone bridges if I was a player. As a DM I always
hope to see some nice wooden bridges to wash away in the next seasons
floods...

It`s been a bone of contention regarding what are rules are for
mechanics and what are setting details. Stone v Wood bridges are setting
details to my mind. A way across the river for goods is a rule mechanic
- hell you could magic them across if you wanted.

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[Eosin the Red]

> irdeggman wrote:
> On stone versus wood bridges - one of my players built a stone bridge and essentially ended up cutting off the ability to quickly move troops up river since any ship capable of carrying any useful number of troops was too large to fit under his stone bridge.;)


I thought that you could not bridge a river that was nagavible by a naval vessel?

I personally think that several methods are valid for a TR to cross a river (riverport [blue cities on the map], ferry, or bridge). The wording in the d20 doc implies that only a bridge works - but that you cannot bridge navigable rivers. Perhaps, this might be an area where wording could be clarified in the d20 0.2 release?

Eosin

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[kgauck]

Historically boat traffic was much larger than overland traffic. This is
why cities were on rivers. The Rhine and the Loire were real avenues of
commerce, overland roads were not.

IMC, I tend to imagine trade routes moving along rivers whenever possible.

Ferry traffic should outnumber bridge traffic (especially stone bridges) for
some time.

Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com

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[JediSeth]

Strange conunudrum - The Regent X (FTR 8, major) takes a follower (FTR 9, unblooded). He invest`s that person with his bloodline and leaves. Now the original FTR 9 unblooded is a (FTR 9, Major, XXX). He takes the leadership feat - now his effective level is an 11 and he gets a 10th level unblooded follower ;0

From the DMG p.45:

Cohort Level: The character can attract a cohort of up to this level. Regardless of the character's Leadership score, he can't recruit a cohort of his level or higher. A 6th-level paladin with a +3 Charisma bonus, for example, can still only recruit a cohort of 5th level or lower.

Doesn't seem like much of a conundrum to me. I haven't read through the complete BRCS yet, but I would hope they didn't override that particular balancing aspect of the leadership feat.

**Edit
The Level would be character level, not ECL, thus a blooded FTR8 could still only attrack 7th level cohorts.

[irdeggman]

Originally posted by JediSeth

Strange conunudrum - The Regent X (FTR 8, major) takes a follower (FTR 9, unblooded). He invest`s that person with his bloodline and leaves. Now the original FTR 9 unblooded is a (FTR 9, Major, XXX). He takes the leadership feat - now his effective level is an 11 and he gets a 10th level unblooded follower ;0

From the DMG p.45:

Cohort Level: The character can attract a cohort of up to this level. Regardless of the character's Leadership score, he can't recruit a cohort of his level or higher. A 6th-level paladin with a +3 Charisma bonus, for example, can still only recruit a cohort of 5th level or lower.

Doesn't seem like much of a conundrum to me. I haven't read through the complete BRCS yet, but I would hope they didn't override that particular balancing aspect of the leadership feat.

**Edit
The Level would be character level, not ECL, thus a blooded FTR8 could still only attrack 7th level cohorts.

Actually we did. It is a variant in Chapter 8. While the DMG makes that reference it also doesn't address whether or not to use the character's ECL level in this case. We extrapolated (based on how ECL was used in other uses - you use ECL to determine the relative equipment and gold a player has (see savage species), etc.) 2d ed Birthright also had the character's level being modified based on his blood line strength and cohorts are the conversion of what henchmen used to be and Lts were "special" henchmen (they counted towards the maximum number of henchmen a character was allowed). Also note that there is no limit to the level a cohort may obtain, the level limit specified is the "starting level" of a cohort, there is also no maximum number of cohorts a character can have (in the DMG).

Now this may end up being revised in 3.5. I hope they put some effort into, as its written now it appears an add-on which should really have been in the PHB and not the DMG, since that is where all feats should be described.:)