d20 Q`s

[Eosin the Red]

Hello All,

I have put together the begininnings of a webpage for a PS:Mhoried using the d20 rules but some strange quirks have occured (address not handy). I thought I would make note of them and see what was behind these particular rules.

1. Trade Routes/Bridges/Ferries - Trade routes cannot cross rivers that are not bridged. Bridges cannot be built across rivers that can support naval traffic. We know from Falcon and the Wolf that the Maesil does not have any bridges in Northern Mhoried but after Rhuimache(sp?) the Maesil is no longer bridgable. This basically implies that no Trade Routes can cross the Maesil.

2. Speaking of those bridges - On of the advantages of stone bridges is that they endure time much better. It would seem that the cost should be much more than double (say x3-x6) but that they would have very little maintainence cost. Stone briges are a long term investment.

3. Maintence costs - The fractions for Maint should be dropped (IMO) infavor of a simple 0.1-0.9 GB cost. The fractions have odd breaking points (1/6th a GB is 119.7 gp depending on how you want to round). This starts getting into complicated questions on record keeping (do we convert all GB into gp keep tally that way? If so do we also track the sp that these fractions will generate? Do you say that half the GB is solid cash to be parcled out in this manner?).

4. Troops - I do not recall seeing each example unit listed with a "training level" (green, standard, veteran), nor the recruitment values of these troops. (i.e. I must a brand new unit of Elite Infantry - are they green, standard, or veteran) and is this what is reflected in the examples provided in the book.

5. Leadership feat - does the Military cohort take the place of of your standard cohort, are they seperate or can you mix-an-match?

i.e. the Mhor can get 10 GB of Units maybe more using the military cohort (guestimate)? Or he could have a 9th level follower/cohort guy. Could he use 5 GB on the units and then generate a 5th level follower/cohort? Or do you get both?

Strange conunudrum - The Regent X (FTR 8, major) takes a follower (FTR 9, unblooded). He invest`s that person with his bloodline and leaves. Now the original FTR 9 unblooded is a (FTR 9, Major, XXX). He takes the leadership feat - now his effective level is an 11 and he gets a 10th level unblooded follower ;0

Eosin>

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[ConjurerDragon]

Eosin the Red wrote:

>Hello All,
>
>I have put together the begininnings of a webpage for a PS:Mhoried using the d20 rules but some strange quirks have occured (address not handy). I thought I would make note of them and see what was behind these particular rules.
>
>1. Trade Routes/Bridges/Ferries - Trade routes cannot cross rivers that are not bridged. Bridges cannot be built across rivers that can support naval traffic. We know from Falcon and the Wolf that the Maesil does not have any bridges in Northern Mhoried but after Rhuimache(sp?) the Maesil is no longer bridgable. This basically implies that no Trade Routes can cross the Maesil.
>
Invent Ferrys that replace bridges. While doing the same (bring people
and wares to the other side) they do it slower which is irrelevant for
slow-travelling caravans - but still prevents fast army movement across
the river.

>2. Speaking of those bridges - On of the advantages of stone bridges is that they endure time much better. It would seem that the cost should be much more than double (say x3-x6) but that they would have very little maintainence cost. Stone briges are a long term investment.
>
True. However what worth has that when most games do not run for more
than 30 years of game-time?
If however you take the approach that good old Railroad Tycoon used,
that wooden bridges are not only lasting less time in years, but also
are more risky to be washed away by flooding then we have a good
short-term reason to have stone bridges.

>3. Maintence costs - The fractions for Maint should be dropped (IMO) infavor of a simple 0.1-0.9 GB cost. The fractions have odd breaking points (1/6th a GB is 119.7 gp depending on how you want to round). This starts getting into complicated questions on record keeping (do we convert all GB into gp keep tally that way? If so do we also track the sp that these fractions will generate? Do you say that half the GB is solid cash to be parcled out in this manner?).
>
To work with anything except full Gold Bars on the domain level is too
complicated for any game in which a overworked DM has to keep track on
everything. Please allow only full Goldbars on the domain level. Refer
to the Maintenance cost list of 2E Birthright for holdings, it had no
half, quarter or tenth of a GB costs.
bye
Michael Romes

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[Mourn]

I don't think this thread belongs in this forum.

This is to discuss the playtest version of the Birthright Campaign Setting, not discussing your website. This discussion should be over at the Royal Library or the Adventurer's Guild.

[Rhobher Nichaleir]

Originally posted by Mourn


I don't think this thread belongs in this forum.

This is to discuss the playtest version of the Birthright Campaign Setting, not discussing your website. This discussion should be over at the Royal Library or the Adventurer's Guild.

These are D20 Questions and comments for the D20 Team, that came up during his creation of his website.

[AnakinMiller]

Some of us don`t use the forums, we only use the list, so we have not idea
where a post is going.

Remember not everone uses those damn forums.

-Anakin Miller
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>
> This is to discuss the playtest version of the Birthright Campaign
Setting, not discussing your website. This discussion should be over at the
Royal Library or the Adventurer`s Guild.
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[Eosin the Red]

> Mourn wrote:
> I don`t think this thread belongs in this forum.
>
> This is to discuss the playtest version of the Birthright Campaign
Setting, not discussing your website. This discussion should be over at the
Royal Library or the Adventurer`s Guild.


Once again, proof that you don`t need to read a post inorder to reply to it.
Impressive.

First, try to read the post - it helps in understanding the questions that
are asked. Second, I am on Birthright-L if you bothered to understand the
way things work, it might become apparent that I have no way of controlling
where the post goes. Third, you sure like to try and squew my posts. Not
once have you quoted me or addressed a question of mine in context. If you
have some difficulty with me let myself (eosin_the_red@cox.net) or Gary
know - it sure works allot better than making a fool of yourself in public.
But, thanks for the insightful comments.

Eosin

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[Ariadne]

Originally posted by AnakinMiller

Some of us don`t use the forums, we only use the list, so we have not idea where a post is going.

Remember not everone uses those damn forums.

Use it! You will see that you will miss nothing, you read edits of posts, you will see where your post is going and there isn't this damn e-mail form with this damn under-title you must permanently edit, if you quote something. Naturally everybody can read your log-in name and not "posted by Birthright-L" (I see some have removed this problem already). And oh yes, I nearly forgot those miserable quotes, you must read twice to recognize it's a quote (these are removed too)...

If you still prefer using BR-L, quote like this:

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Naturally you must write "quote" with small letters. Trust me, that's better...

[ryancaveney]

On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Ariadne wrote:

> If you still prefer using BR-L, quote like this:
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Text, text, text

Nope, not gonna do it. I will always like the email list vastly better,
and tailor my presentation to its natural format.


Ryan Caveney

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[Raesene Andu]

Originally posted by Mourn


I don't think this thread belongs in this forum.

This is to discuss the playtest version of the Birthright Campaign Setting, not discussing your website. This discussion should be over at the Royal Library or the Adventurer's Guild.

This thread contains some comments about the d20 rules and raises some points that I'm sure Eosin wants to have answers, possibly by the other developers. So I moved the thread here to this forum from one of the other forums.

Of course, this means nothing to those using the mailing list, but be assured that I'm keeping an eye out every couple of days and moving topics around if I think they should be in another forum.

To answer some of your questions (and please note I did not work on that section of the rules)

1. Ferry's, as already suggested would be a good way to move good around, or perhaps barges and riverboats. The novel WAR talks a little about the various ways of transporting goods downriver to the Imperial City, which I imagine means a trade route. The Ferry (in one form or another) has been around virtually forever...

2. I'd always go with stone bridges if I was a player. As a DM I always hope to see some nice wooden bridges to wash away in the next seasons floods...

3. This is something that is being looked at by the development team following earlier comments. Personally I'm used to using fractions from work, so I don't mind them.

I'll have to pass of the rest of the questions, nothing to do with what I was working on. Hopefully one of the other developers can assist you here.

[Arjan]

Look, I did the best i could to intergrate the forum AND the mailinglist.
The script isnt perfect but still a very good addon for both info systems.
I am still figuring out howto perfect the script so that both sides are
happy with it.
So far only a hand full is complaining.....

for the people on the list: if you dont know what a post is about. follow
the link that comes with the email to the post, otherwise just ignore the
email.

Arjan
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Originally posted by AnakinMiller
>
> Some of us don`t use the forums, we only use the list, so we have not idea
where a post is going.
>
> Remember not everone uses those damn forums.

> Use it! You will see that you will miss nothing, you read edits of posts,
you will see where your post is going and there isn`t this damn e-mail form
with this damn under-title you must permanently edit, if you quote
something. Naturally everybody can read your log-in name and not "posted by
Birthright-L" (I see some have removed this problem already). And oh yes, I
nearly forgot those miserable quotes, you must read twice to recognize it`s
a quote (these are removed too)...
>
> If you still prefer using BR-L, quote like this:
>
>

Text, text, text

> Naturally you must write "quote" with small letters. Trust me, that`s
better...
>
>
>
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