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03-18-2003, 03:16 PM #91
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On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 12:15, Ryan B. Caveney wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Shade wrote:
> What I`m saying is the idea that "all level 10 characters are equal"
> is complete hogwash. That`s not true now, and never has been true.
I unreservedly agree. Balance has been discussed (I don`t think I`d even
be willing to say attempted), but certainly never achieved.
Speaking as an absolutionist, Balance can NEVER be achieved only
approached. But essentially, I agree.
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03-18-2003, 10:30 PM #92
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Shade wrote:
>At 11:46 PM 3/16/2003 +0100, you wrote:
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>>Mourn wrote:
>>[quote]Originally posted by Shade
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>How many blood abilities do you get for a single ECL? I assumed you got 2 -
>Heightened Ability and Resistance (one of the basic ones, not the DR).
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For 0 points spent in the point buy system you get 8 bloodline points,
for taking the major scion template/+1 ECL you gain +4 to have 12
points and 1 minor ability according to table 2-2, not 2 abilitys.
To have 2 abilitys a character would need a bloodline of 14+, so he
either has to spend some of his precious buy-points on his bloodline to
raise it from 12 to 14 and lose somewhat of his 6 core rules abilitys or
has to be content with only 1 minor ability at the start of his career.
bye
Michael Romes
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03-18-2003, 10:30 PM #93
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Peter Lubke wrote:
>On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 07:20, Athos69 wrote:
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>I think that it`s been pretty well done to death that using a 7th
>ability creates an unnecessary imbalance in ability scores. There`s no
>precedent in original BR for penalizing scions in ability scores. A
>character can gain a bloodline later which sort of immediately
>invalidates using it as an ability score. The argument for consistent
>approach is always a weak one -- but a good marketing tool, consistent
>approach does not benefit the end user.
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That is a good point I have not thought of before.
A character would best start as a non-blooded character and get himself
a bloodline later by bloodtheft or investiture - so he can have a full
set of ability scores and still have a decent bloodline.
In the point buy system he could without penalty to the other 6 scores
have only a bloodline of 8 which however already equals a 2E bloodline
of 16. Galien Thuried for example (2E tainted with 12) would be really
happy to know in 3E he will earn much more RP than in 2E
All characters with bloodlines of less than 8 (2E 16) would be there for
NPC background but with no real reason, as EVERYONE who starts can have
at least 8. Would that mean that we need not only a NPC class Warrior/PC
class Fighter but also a NPC class tainted scion/PC class scion 8+? ;-)
bye
Michael Romes
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03-19-2003, 01:49 AM #94
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No one has yet addressed how the proposed ECL system for scions compares to the ECL races (e.g., drow, duegar, thri-kreen). What are people's opinions on that comparision. For comparision I would assume that the scion starts with a 10 ability score and then make the modifications from a template. A 10 seems to be reasonable number from a point buy or even dice roll system for a character that wants to be a scion of any type of note.:)
Duane Eggert
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