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03-12-2003, 08:48 PM #11
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But by carefully planning his character a player could use the ability increase gained at every 4th level (something else not in 2nd ed) to aid in a useful transition for multi-classing. Again in 2nd ed a character would need a 17 in the primary attribute to "dual class" - humans couldn't "multi-class" so he wouldn't have been able to switch classes if he had min-maxed anyways, unless he was "real lucky" with his die rolls.
Duane Eggert
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03-13-2003, 03:32 AM #12
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From: "Michael Romes" <Archmage@T-ONLINE.DE>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:09 AM
> Right. What I meant was that a fighter normally is build around
> a high STR CON score, with less in INT DEX and CHA. So
> a min/maxed fighter with 18 in STR and CON will have only 8 for
> CHA and while being able to multiclass to Sorceror, would never
> be able to actually use the class ability of casting spells - it is not
> impossible, just useless ;-)
But that only demonstrates most characters can`t be all things. I`m not
sure that`s a bad thing.
I will add that any BR character with a CHA of 8 has bigger problems than
their inabaility to become a master sorcerer.
Kenneth Gauck
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03-14-2003, 01:37 AM #13
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>That is the reason I would not like to see a Rogue (for the boost of
>skills at first level)/Ranger (for the twoweaponfighting bonus at 1st
>level)/Cleric/Mage in 3E Birthright - even IF 3E allows it, Birthright
>should not to stay true to the setting.
>bye
Not to say that I disagree with you Michael, but a 3e
Rogue/Ranger/Cleric/Mage will totally suck.
If some player wants to play a character that worthless, I would be happy
to let him. As long as it made sense from a roleplaying perspective, of
course.
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03-14-2003, 01:58 PM #14
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Lord Shade wrote:
>>That is the reason I would not like to see a Rogue (for the boost of
>>skills at first level)/Ranger (for the twoweaponfighting bonus at 1st
>>level)/Cleric/Mage in 3E Birthright - even IF 3E allows it, Birthright
>>should not to stay true to the setting.
>>bye
>>
>
>Not to say that I disagree with you Michael, but a 3e
>Rogue/Ranger/Cleric/Mage will totally suck.
>
>If some player wants to play a character that worthless, I would be happy
>to let him. As long as it made sense from a roleplaying perspective, of
>course.
>
It depends on how you plan to use the character. I play only in PBEMs,
which mostly focus on the domain level.
A character with that classes will be able (under the 2E and Travis 3E
rules) to collect RP from everything except law holdings and the
low-level spells to charm and to boost INT would be very useful for
diplomacy if played out.
bye
Michael Romes
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03-14-2003, 02:45 PM #15
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> Lord Shade wrote:
>
> a 3e Rogue/Ranger/Cleric/Mage will totally suck.
>
Spellcasting multiclasses suck. A Wizard/Cleric is a lot worse than the
other things you have suggested here. Multiclassing actually works very well
for nonspellusing classes, and adding a few levels in a nonspellusing class
to a spelluser can also be valid.
Note that spellusing classes still get skill points, BAB and hit points -
they just get fewer of them. A Cleric 12/ Fighter 10 under 2nd ed rules is
matched almost exactly by a cleric -12, fighter 1 under the new rules -
attacks are the same, all weapons can be used, and spellcasting ability is
the same.
The real loser here is the mage/cleric, or even worse, the sorcerer/wizard.
But these options were very powerful before - I think the nerfing here was
intentional.
/Carl
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03-14-2003, 03:10 PM #16
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03-14-2003, 03:50 PM #17
SW tries to remedy this by actually giving away MORE class benefits at
lower levels. That, and the fact that there are no level-based spell
system, makes it much more attractive to multi-class, even for a
power-gamer prespective.
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Ariadne wrote:
powerfull he COULD be if single classed. IMO a character reduces
himself, if multiclassing (except he is already 20th level and don`t
uses epic rules)...
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03-14-2003, 10:33 PM #18
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Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:17 AM
> Multiclassing actually works very well for nonspellusing classes,
> and adding a few levels in a nonspellusing class to a spelluser
> can also be valid.
I stack all divine spellcasting levels, and seperatly, all arcane
spellcasting levels. Clerics of Ruornil and Avani can learn divine spells.
To a great extent this has elimanted the desire for multi-classing across
the arcane-divine divide.
Kenneth Gauck
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03-15-2003, 07:39 AM #19
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At 02:00 PM 3/14/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Lord Shade wrote:
>
>>>That is the reason I would not like to see a Rogue (for the boost of
>>>skills at first level)/Ranger (for the twoweaponfighting bonus at 1st
>>>level)/Cleric/Mage in 3E Birthright - even IF 3E allows it, Birthright
>>>should not to stay true to the setting.
>>>bye
>>>
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>>Not to say that I disagree with you Michael, but a 3e
>>Rogue/Ranger/Cleric/Mage will totally suck.
>>
>>If some player wants to play a character that worthless, I would be happy
>>to let him. As long as it made sense from a roleplaying perspective, of
>>course.
>>
>It depends on how you plan to use the character. I play only in PBEMs,
>which mostly focus on the domain level.
I guess, but...
>A character with that classes will be able (under the 2E and Travis 3E
>rules) to collect RP from everything except law holdings and the
>low-level spells to charm and to boost INT would be very useful for
>diplomacy if played out.
...you`ll also die the first time a character of equal level challenges
you. Your +1 BAB, +1d6 SA, and 1st level cleric and wizard spells are...
uncompelling? ;)
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03-15-2003, 07:39 AM #20
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At 12:53 PM 3/14/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Starfox" <stephen_starfox@YAHOO.SE>
>Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:17 AM
>
>
>> Multiclassing actually works very well for nonspellusing classes,
>> and adding a few levels in a nonspellusing class to a spelluser
>> can also be valid.
>
>I stack all divine spellcasting levels, and seperatly, all arcane
>spellcasting levels. Clerics of Ruornil and Avani can learn divine spells.
>To a great extent this has elimanted the desire for multi-classing across
>the arcane-divine divide.
??? What are you talking about?
I`m afraid I don`t understand at all what this means, Kenneth. :o
Stack all divine spellcasting levels? Isn`t that what +1 caster level PrCs
do?
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