I actually made a house rule that took into account larger provinces with
taxation at the larger scale. Since the setting of Greyhawk is based
heavily on the feudal system in most states, I simply jumped over the middle
men and went right to the top. Assuming each vassal paid ten percent to
their higher lords, it actually dwindled quite a bit once it reached the
true throne of each nation.

It would take me several pages to write it all out, so I can`t. It was all
hand written too since I didn`t even have a computer then. The basic of it
was that it worked out to the scale that a "Gold Bar" was worth roughly 20k
in coin, and a "unit" had actually 1000 men instead of 100 (so I used a
factor of ten rule just to get it working roughly). Even the provinces were
roughly "ten" times as large, etc.

With Furyondy alone being about the size of all Anuire south of the
Stonecrowns, I had to use the factor of ten. In all, it came out something
like this:

Furyondy was about the size and strength of Avanil (by scale)
Veluna would have been the equal of a slightly more robust Talinie
etc..

The Great Kingdom was taken care of simply because it was shattered into
petty states. The only other monster on the board was actually Nyrond which
weighed in heavily with a vast population and possible resources. I took
care of that by imposing a house rule on Nyrond called "in debt to minor
lords" which drained away a good chunk of coin that any player in Nyrond
would be FORCED to pay out or face open rebellions.

It all worked pretty well actually. The Vile Iuz even makes a good
substitute for The Gorgon in this scenerio.....but he is only worse. Then
again, Greyhawk did come first.....but then Tolkien was before that! (take a
look at the rivers that wedge the Domain of Iuz in and see if you can see
the hint of the mountains of Mordor surrounding Sauron`s own realm). It
allllll goes back to tha man Tolkien.

Tony




----Original Message Follows----
From: "Ryan B. Caveney" <ryanb@CYBERCOM.NET>

> I`m just a hard core Greyhawk fan since I have played
> in it now for going on two decades.

Allow me to second the motion. =)

> Over all though, I love Birthright for its domains and actually
> scribed provinces on my Greyhawk maps years ago and Viola!!!
> Greyhawk using Birthright Domain rules.

My primary question on this is, what scale did you use? The hexes on the
early 80`s Greyhawk boxed set are 30 miles across(*), and thus just under
780 square miles, or roughly 1/2 to 3/4 the notional size of a BR
province. Unfortunately, this means the bigger GH states weigh in at well
over a hundred provinces each, which is far too unwieldy to play the whole
Flanaess at once -- though of course you could make a campaign focusing on
squabbling nobles in just one part of the Great Kingdom, one set in just the
lands of the Snow, Frost and Ice Barbarians would have an awful lot of
mountain province 0s and 1s. About how many "Darlene map" hexes did you put
in each of your provinces?


Ryan Caveney

(*) At what latitude this is true is not specified; see my buddy Gary
Holian`s article in an early (the first?) Oerth Journal on the topic.

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