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02-24-2003, 02:38 AM #1
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Mythology in BR extends back only to Deismaar, really, with a couple of
mentions of earlier activity. There aren`t any creation myths at all.
What have you written up for your games?
I kind of like the theory that the tribal gods were so closely associated
with their tribes because they arose from worship. Anduiras personified
the ancient kings and warrior of the Anuireans, so he came into existance.
With that version, it`s hard to say where Azrai came from, because he
doesn`t seem to have had a tribe of his own originally.
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02-24-2003, 02:48 AM #2
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Azrai was called the Shadow... Perhaps he came about because all the
civilized tribes feared the night and the shadows... And of course, there
also is the fact that someone would have to tell where the Adurians came
from too...
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02-24-2003, 09:01 AM #3
Actually, this lack of early history is something we hope to correct in the upcoming d20 Atlas of Cerilia. I'd like to see more on the early history of the human tribes, more of the rise of Azrai, etc. What about everyone else, is there someone you would particularly like to see, or have explained from the history of Cerilia, or do you perhaps have an interesting idea you want to put forward. If so, post away, and I'll watch the forums...
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02-24-2003, 09:02 AM #4
daniel mcsorley wrote:
>Mythology in BR extends back only to Deismaar, really, with a couple of
>mentions of earlier activity. There aren`t any creation myths at all.
>What have you written up for your games?
Always liking ancient real-world history, I invented an entire "bronze
age-iron age" background for my game (very Anuire-centric and focused on
military history).
It goes something like this:
1. (ca. 1500 BD) The proto-Andu are a fierce nomadic people living
somewhere on the Adurian continent. They are a menace to the civilized
realms of the area, constantly raiding. Their use of horses (chariots)
and iron lead to their eventual conquest of the civilized lands. There
they establish themselves as a ruling caste.
The proto-Andu believe in a complex pantheon of gods and spirits. One of
these is Anduiras, god of chariot warfare and the ruling elite. The seed
of every other major god is also present in the pantheon, but are
neither more important nor more powerful than a myriad of other gods.
For instance, there are several other gods of war, battle and combat.
Masela is know as the goddess of wells etc.
Adepts are the norm among these primitive peoples, there are no clerics
yet.
2. (ca. 1300 BD) The new proto-Andu lands are not unifed and constantly
war with each other, until a Great Leader emerges, unifing all Andu
lands and conquering many other realms as well. In addition to being a
warrior and a king, he is also the High Priest (one of the first true
clerics) of Anduiras.
The proto-Andu take the name "Andu" to honor the god of their Great
Leader. The worship of Anduiras becomes the state faith for the new
Empire, and he reaches a level of importance to the Andu that no other
god has ever had. The link between the Andu and Anduiras is forever
cemented by his ascension to greatness, and the Andu`s great progress in
the lands of the living.
Among the other "tribes", other gods acheive more prominence in a
similar manner. Through a combination of interaction with these other
cultures and the power of these geat gods, a pantheon of only a few
powerful gods starts to take shape.
Each "tribe" hold its own patron above all the others, and arrange the
portfolios and relations of the gods according to their view of the
world. There are also still a larger number of lesser gods. The great
gods have an increasing number of clerics within the ranks of their
clergy.
3. (1000 BD) Eventually, after many centuries, the Empire of the Great
Leader is weakened, and when put under pressure by the emerging Adurian
Empire. The Andu eventually succumb, to a large extent because of the
Adurian mastery of arcane magic, and are take as slaves to the Adurian
Empire, where they labor for the greater glory of the Empire and Azrai,
the chief god of the Adurians.
The Andu never forget their god and their freedom. This dedication
allows Aduiras to continue as a great god and allows the Andu to retain
their identity as a people.
Many lesser gods disappear during this period, for only those that were
initially powerfull and widely worshiped survive this era, where Azrai
reigns supreme over all the gods.
4. (700 BD to 500 BD) The Andu rise in rebellion much later, led by
clerics and paladins (the first in history) of Anduiras. They win their
independence, if only for a while. Azrai does not tolerate this
insubordination, and orders his followers to attack and reclaim the lost
realm. The Andu resist for the longest of times, but eventually it
becomes clear that this is a fight they cannot win. Some of the Andu
start treking north to the newly discovered land of Cerilia, which
appears to be beyound the grasp of the Shadow. The rest stay behind to
cover the retreat, and are evntually defeated.
In other places, other peoples also rise in rebellion or flee the
Shadow. Urged on by their patron gods, the pantheon of Cerilia is
finally established, as the five tribes and the Basarji settle. There
are 7 gods (Anduiras LG, Basaia LN, Masela NG, Reynir N, Vorynn CG,
Brenna CN, Azrai NE), one for each people and Azrai, who is well known
to all.
What lesser gods remain in Aduria does not follow into Cerilia (but some
remain there even now).
5. (ca. 500 BD) The first Andu come to Cerilia. Initially many settle on
the north coast of Aduria, but some cross the Straits and settle around
the mouth of the Maseil (btw I kicked the landbridge altogether, but
that desn`t matter that much in this regard).
6. (500 BD to 200 BD) In all, 5 groups or Houses settled in Cerilia in
the years before the Gheallie Sidhe. The first House (name passed out of
knowledge) around the Mouth of the Maseil and for some distance upriver.
The second House (Boru) alog the coasts and river valleys of the West
Coast. The third House along the shores or the Gulf of Coeranys (I guess
I must call it Elin) and the Berendor River (in Aerenwe), the Fourth
house went up the Maesil and settled the central highlands, eventually
crossing the Stonecrows (I call them the Mhor). The fifth House settled
on the South Coast (Deretha). There may have been many additional lesser
Houses as well, and some may have stayed in Mieres and the other
north-Adurian areas, but of them history has forgotten.
7. (200BD to 0 HC) After this I stick largely to that presented in the
books, with the wars with goblins and elves and such. It should be noted
though, that the five Andu realms were largely on their own, and each
House ruled as Kings over their own area. They only united in effort
(but not more than that, Haelyn and Roele were sons of the First House,
but not more than that) during the War Against the Shadow.
8. (0 HC +) After Deismaar, not all were pleased to become part of
Roeles new Empire. Especially the Boru resisted fiercely, thinking Roele
the ultimate betrayer, for falling on his allies when Azrai was
defeated. Their remote location and battle prowess meant that is was a
hard fight, but eventuall the Boru were defeated and made part of the
Empire.
Well, that was the sort version. The other tribes figure in it as well,
but play a much less important role. If anyone is interested in the full
version, I`ll try and upload it to "roerules" shortly.
Bjørn
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daniel mcsorley wrote:
>I kind of like the theory that the tribal gods were so closely associated
>with their tribes because they arose from worship. Anduiras personified
>the ancient kings and warrior of the Anuireans, so he came into existance.
>With that version, it`s hard to say where Azrai came from, because he
>doesn`t seem to have had a tribe of his own originally.
>
He could have started as the god of the Beastmen - e.g. in Greatheart in
the short story at the end Azrai brings some of his beast men, perhaps
gnolls to the Sielwode.
bye
Michael Romes
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02-24-2003, 06:21 PM #6Originally posted by The Green Knight
In other places, other peoples also rise in rebellion or flee the Shadow. Urged on by their patron gods, the pantheon of Cerilia is finally established, as the five tribes and the Basarji settle. There are 7 gods (Anduiras LG, Basaia LN, Masela NG, Reynir N, Vorynn CG, Brenna CN, Azrai NE), one for each people and Azrai, who is well known
to all.
If you like, post your long version. I would like to see it...May Khirdai always bless your sword and his lightning struck your enemies!
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Raesene Andu wrote:
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> Raesene Andu wrote:
> Although this is a minor point, Azrai would also be more LE than NE. He is primarily concerned with spreading his rules, his law across Aduria and Cerilia.
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Lawful as the god of lies and false promises, who tricked the elves and
lured Prince Raesene on his side?
Seeing Azrais power, that he could stand up to all the other gods, he
should have followers with any alignment - perhaps he has even followers
who do not know that they follow him ;-)
(like the Vos, who fled him only to be charmed by him later without even
recognizing him for being the shadow they fled)
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02-25-2003, 09:27 PM #9
Ariadne wrote:
Originally posted by The Green Knight
>>In other places, other peoples also rise in rebellion or flee the
Shadow. >>Urged on by their patron gods, the pantheon of Cerilia is
finally >>established, as the five tribes and the Basarji settle. There
are 7 gods >>(Anduiras LG, Basaia LN, Masela NG, Reynir N, Vorynn CG,
Brenna CN, >>>Azrai NE), one for each people and Azrai, who is well
known
>>to all.
should >have been LN nor that no CG god existed. Your version is really
excellent...
>If you like, post your long version. I would like to see it...
OK, I will. I`m just formatting it and filling out some blanks. Is there
a limit on how long a single post can be (do I need to break it up into
several parts)?
Cheers
Bjørn
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02-25-2003, 09:27 PM #10
Raesene Andu wrote:
> Although this is a minor point, Azrai would also be more LE than NE.
He is >primarily concerned with spreading his rules, his law across
Aduria and >Cerilia.
Nope, not in my book. I stand firm by NE.
Azrai is the Shadow, the Face of Evil, the Great Deceiver, the
Corruptor. He is also the One of Many Secrets, the Terrible Warlord, and
a host of other bad titles :-)
He has both lawful and chaotic traits IMO, possibly slightly more lawful
than chaotic. However, his EVIL alignment is so pronounced as to make
the whole law/chaos axis unimportant. Azrai is the god of EVIL above
all, staunchly opposed to the other six gods. They all fight him, not
because they`re all so damn GOOD, but because the EVIL of Azrai is very
overwhelming...
Cheers
Bjørn
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