3e Races

[Birthright-L]

The one race I expected to see that would replace the Half-Orc would be a
Half-Ogre. The half ogres are one of the most numerous half-humans in all
of Cerilia....even Mhoried has it`s northern most province swarming with
them. `Warlock of the Stonecrowns` mentions them as "highlanders" or some
such. That was just my take though on what would be good to replace
half-orcs with; since there are "numerous clans" of half-ogres in Mhoried
alone...not even thinking about all the mixing of Humans and Ogres in the
Stonecrown Mts/Five Peaks area.

Or how about Half-Goblins. :-) That would be funny actually. ;-)

Tony


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From: Raesene Andu <brnetboard@TUARHIEVEL.ORG>

Raesene Andu wrote:

Originally posted by Azrai
New races won`t change the flair of the setting, because they are already
THERE. The half-fiend for example is listed in the 3Ed.BRCS under Cleric,
Hand of Azrai.

It`s only that new races and new classes make fun and add a lot to the
game.

The genasi would fit perfect to a kinashi campaign, the half-orog is also an
idea.

I would also like some prestige classes (ok, you said, some will follow in
the atlas). But I think, classes like Assasin, Loremaster, Blackguard are
now core and standard D&D and should also be reviewed. What about some
priest prestige classes?

The Hand of Azrai is an exception, not the rule. She is a powerful and
mysterious being and making her half-fiend helps to cerment this. If there
were other half-fiend beings around then this would undermine her character,
make her just one of the crowd instead of a unique and powerful being.

The genasi do not fit in the campaign because there is no reason to support
their presence. Just because they have a culture similar to the Khinasi does
not mean they should exist there. They are supposed to be a cross between
genies and humans (am I right here?) so where are the genies? In his initial
design work for Aduria Rich Baker set aside a region of that continent for a
persia with genies type culture, so put the genasi there if you want. That
way a couple may have travelled the 2,000 or so miles north to Cerilia and
appear as rare and mysterious visitors from the south.

The half-orog is just a half-orc under another name, and as there is little
mixing between the orog and human cultures (compared to orc/humans in other
worlds) then the presence of this hybrid is not justified.

The Atlas will contain a large section on prestige classes. The Atlas
focuses more on the background of the races, faiths and realms of Cerilia,
so prestige classes linked to those organisations would be better placed
there. We will certainly attempt to have the majority of prestige classes
presented in the first release of the Atlas if possible. If you wish to
write up some prestige classes, races, etc yourself and release them to the
BR community we would love to see them and perhaps even include them in the
Atlas.

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[Ariadne]

Originally posted by cobos

HALF DRAGONS ?
There are maybe a dozen dragons left on Cerilia and as far as I`ve seen the one mentioned in Ed Starks article in dragon "Fire in the peaks" (or similar) describes the youngest on them and he is about 1500 years i.e. great wyrm...

And??? Even a great wyrm of a dragon can create children, so why not? It should be curious and rare, but possible...

Where then the reputed half dragons should come from is beyond me, and the same goes for theiflings and aasimars, they are demons and angels, something which has never been very popular with BR. The designers even mentioned somewhere that you can`t planeshift to BR and outsiders are always rare and always with a special history behind them...

No planeshift to BR isn't possible, but planeshifting to the shadow world. From the Shadow world to Cerilia isn't that far, so I don't see problems. Asimaars, Half-celestials etc. should be rare to very rare (as for half-dragons too), but not impossible...

Maybe an Ersheglien could have the Half-celestial template as part of its Ersheglien version (then there are no discussions about its powers ;) )...

[Cobos]

Ariadne wrote:

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> Ariadne wrote:
>

Originally posted by cobos
>
>HALF DRAGONS ?
>There are maybe a dozen dragons left on Cerilia and as far as I`ve seen the one mentioned in Ed Starks article in dragon "Fire in the peaks" (or similar) describes the youngest on them and he is about 1500 years i.e. great wyrm...

>And??? Even a great wyrm of a dragon can create children, so why not? It should be curious and rare, but possible...
>
>
Yes you couldn`t have said my point any better... they would be rare (I
would say extremely rare but that is a matter of opinion). And that is
the reason they`ve got nothing to do in a BRCS which is supposed to
define all the normal things in a campaign... half-dragons will surely
not be normal and thus has nothing to do in a BRCS. If you want them go
ahead and use them in your campaign...

>

>Where then the reputed half dragons should come from is beyond me, and the same goes for theiflings and aasimars, they are demons and angels, something which has never been very popular with BR. The designers even mentioned somewhere that you can`t planeshift to BR and outsiders are always rare and always with a special history behind them...

>No planeshift to BR isn`t possible, but planeshifting to the shadow world. From the Shadow world to Cerilia isn`t that far, so I don`t see problems. Asimaars, Half-celestials etc. should be rare to very rare (as for half-dragons too), but not impossible...
>
>
Look at my comment above...

>Maybe an Ersheglien could have the Half-celestial template as part of its Ersheglien version (then there are no discussions about its powers ;) )...
>
>
That`s that way birthright birthright, every blooded person is
essentially half-celestial...you don`t need another rule on top of the
whole bloodline system which is cool and works...

>
>
Sindre

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[ConjurerDragon]

Raesene Andu wrote:

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>Raesene Andu wrote:
> [quote]Originally posted by Azrai
>The Hand of Azrai is an exception, not the rule. She is a powerful and mysterious being and making her half-fiend helps to cerment this. If there were other half-fiend beings around then this would undermine her character, make her just one of the crowd instead of a unique and powerful being.
>
Would the son of Rhuobhe in the Sword&Crown Adventure not be a
half-fiend as well? Then we would have already two in a world which can
only be entered through the shadow world as I thought - woulnd´t that
make visits of fiends or anyone from anywhere from other planes highly
unlikely if not impossible?
bye
Michael Romes

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