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    Here`s an article that a few folks on this list might find interesting:

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    Spielberg puts the Legend of King Arthur to the Sword
    by Catherine Milner

    Steven Spielberg is to demolish the "myth" of Camelot in a television film
    series about King Arthur that does not feature a round table, Excalibur,
    Merlin or knights. The series, which is due to be shot in Britain next
    year, will oppose the traditional view of Camelot as a cloud-covered city
    of towers and battlements by portraying it as a simple Roman fort.

    Perhaps most contentiously, King Arthur will be a humble blacksmith who
    does not become king by drawing the sword Excalibur from a stone, as
    depicted in legend - instead he is feted because he can create steel from
    iron ore. "At that time a blacksmith who could cast iron skillfully was
    regarded highly and would have had the same funeral honours as a king,"
    said David Leland, the film`s scriptwriter and director. "The process of
    casting iron and creating good weapons was a secret and the blacksmiths
    kept their secrets very close to their chest. I think the idea of how you
    get iron from a stone - how you get a good sword from a stone - was one of
    the secrets that explains the Excalibur legend."

    Mr Leland said that the series, which will cost £85 million to make, will
    be filmed in the West Country next spring. It will "de-evolve", he says,
    the story that has captivated writers and artists since the early Middle
    Ages. It will attempt to recreate the "historical reality" of what life
    was like in ad500, when King Arthur is thought to have reigned. "I am not
    interested in mysticism. I am not setting out to create magic. There`s no
    point in making this film unless you get under the skin of it and to the
    reality as it would have been at that time." As a result, there will be no
    round table in the series, nor any Excalibur scene, Mr Leland said, and he
    was circumspect about the fate of Merlin, the magician.

    King Arthur will be known as Artos, Sir Lancelot as Bwyr and Guinivere as
    Gwenever in keeping with the Romano-Celtic translations of those
    names. "Sir Lancelot is an invention of medieval poets so we wouldn`t have
    a Lancelot figure, but maybe have some essence of who he was instead," said
    Mr Leland, who is known for his work on the Second World War series Band of
    Brothers. Instead of the knights there will be a "brotherhood of
    companions" wearing leather jerkins and woolly cloaks rather than the
    armour of the Crusaders in which they are usually portrayed.

    Spielberg will come to Britain next spring to oversee the project, which is
    backed by the American production company HBO. Negotiations are under way
    to show it the BBC. Casting will start in January.

    The legend of King Arthur is primarily based on Le Morte D`Arthur by Sir
    Thomas Malory, written in the 1400s. Malory`s works were the inspiration
    for a number of paintings, particularly those by the Pre-Raphaelite
    brotherhood in the 19th Century.

    However, Spielberg has competition: Jerry Bruckheimer, another Hollywood
    director, is starting work next year on his film King Arthur, which he is
    shooting in Ireland, and Warner Brothers are bringing out a film based on T
    H White`s book The Once and Future King. Like Spielberg, Bruckheimer has
    stated a desire to concentrate on historical accuracy rather than legends -
    even though his grasp on the history of the period seems slightly
    askew. Describing his film recently, he said: "It happened much earlier
    than movies or the English have put it. They changed the way it was told.
    Arthur was really Roman and the Knights of the Round Table were Russian and
    great horsemen."

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    It doesn`t sound like an interesting movie from that article.

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Gary" <geeman@SOFTHOME.NET>
    To: <BIRTHRIGHT-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM>
    Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:14 AM
    Subject: King Arthur (the Movie.)


    > Here`s an article that a few folks on this list might find interesting:
    >
    > ----------
    >
    > Spielberg puts the Legend of King Arthur to the Sword
    > by Catherine Milner
    >
    > Steven Spielberg is to demolish the "myth" of Camelot in a television film
    > series about King Arthur that does not feature a round table, Excalibur,
    > Merlin or knights. The series, which is due to be shot in Britain next
    > year, will oppose the traditional view of Camelot as a cloud-covered city
    > of towers and battlements by portraying it as a simple Roman fort.
    >
    > Perhaps most contentiously, King Arthur will be a humble blacksmith who
    > does not become king by drawing the sword Excalibur from a stone, as
    > depicted in legend - instead he is feted because he can create steel from
    > iron ore. "At that time a blacksmith who could cast iron skillfully was
    > regarded highly and would have had the same funeral honours as a king,"
    > said David Leland, the film`s scriptwriter and director. "The process of
    > casting iron and creating good weapons was a secret and the blacksmiths
    > kept their secrets very close to their chest. I think the idea of how you
    > get iron from a stone - how you get a good sword from a stone - was one of
    > the secrets that explains the Excalibur legend."
    >
    > Mr Leland said that the series, which will cost £85 million to make, will
    > be filmed in the West Country next spring. It will "de-evolve", he says,
    > the story that has captivated writers and artists since the early Middle
    > Ages. It will attempt to recreate the "historical reality" of what life
    > was like in ad500, when King Arthur is thought to have reigned. "I am not
    > interested in mysticism. I am not setting out to create magic. There`s no
    > point in making this film unless you get under the skin of it and to the
    > reality as it would have been at that time." As a result, there will be
    no
    > round table in the series, nor any Excalibur scene, Mr Leland said, and he
    > was circumspect about the fate of Merlin, the magician.
    >
    > King Arthur will be known as Artos, Sir Lancelot as Bwyr and Guinivere as
    > Gwenever in keeping with the Romano-Celtic translations of those
    > names. "Sir Lancelot is an invention of medieval poets so we wouldn`t
    have
    > a Lancelot figure, but maybe have some essence of who he was instead,"
    said
    > Mr Leland, who is known for his work on the Second World War series Band
    of
    > Brothers. Instead of the knights there will be a "brotherhood of
    > companions" wearing leather jerkins and woolly cloaks rather than the
    > armour of the Crusaders in which they are usually portrayed.
    >
    > Spielberg will come to Britain next spring to oversee the project, which
    is
    > backed by the American production company HBO. Negotiations are under way
    > to show it the BBC. Casting will start in January.
    >
    > The legend of King Arthur is primarily based on Le Morte D`Arthur by Sir
    > Thomas Malory, written in the 1400s. Malory`s works were the inspiration
    > for a number of paintings, particularly those by the Pre-Raphaelite
    > brotherhood in the 19th Century.
    >
    > However, Spielberg has competition: Jerry Bruckheimer, another Hollywood
    > director, is starting work next year on his film King Arthur, which he is
    > shooting in Ireland, and Warner Brothers are bringing out a film based on
    T
    > H White`s book The Once and Future King. Like Spielberg, Bruckheimer has
    > stated a desire to concentrate on historical accuracy rather than
    legends -
    > even though his grasp on the history of the period seems slightly
    > askew. Describing his film recently, he said: "It happened much earlier
    > than movies or the English have put it. They changed the way it was told.
    > Arthur was really Roman and the Knights of the Round Table were Russian
    and
    > great horsemen."
    >
    >
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    Dude your right that movie sounds sucky we all know aurther was a myth built
    up around an actual historical person but don`t you think there is a reason
    we don`t know about the historical saga`s of auther like perhaps it`s a bit
    boring.... not to say the movie has no merit but I would not pay to see
    it.....
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Ken Johnson" <ulairi@VAULTNETWORK.COM>
    To: <BIRTHRIGHT-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM>
    Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:29 AM
    Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] King Arthur (the Movie.)


    > It doesn`t sound like an interesting movie from that article.
    >
    > Ken Johnson
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    > http://rpgvault.ign.com
    > http://actionvault.ign.com
    > http://www.ign.com
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Gary" <geeman@SOFTHOME.NET>
    > To: <BIRTHRIGHT-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM>
    > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:14 AM
    > Subject: King Arthur (the Movie.)
    >
    >
    > > Here`s an article that a few folks on this list might find interesting:
    > >
    > > ----------
    > >
    > > Spielberg puts the Legend of King Arthur to the Sword
    > > by Catherine Milner
    > >
    > > Steven Spielberg is to demolish the "myth" of Camelot in a television
    film
    > > series about King Arthur that does not feature a round table, Excalibur,
    > > Merlin or knights. The series, which is due to be shot in Britain next
    > > year, will oppose the traditional view of Camelot as a cloud-covered
    city
    > > of towers and battlements by portraying it as a simple Roman fort.
    > >
    > > Perhaps most contentiously, King Arthur will be a humble blacksmith who
    > > does not become king by drawing the sword Excalibur from a stone, as
    > > depicted in legend - instead he is feted because he can create steel
    from
    > > iron ore. "At that time a blacksmith who could cast iron skillfully was
    > > regarded highly and would have had the same funeral honours as a king,"
    > > said David Leland, the film`s scriptwriter and director. "The process
    of
    > > casting iron and creating good weapons was a secret and the blacksmiths
    > > kept their secrets very close to their chest. I think the idea of how
    you
    > > get iron from a stone - how you get a good sword from a stone - was one
    of
    > > the secrets that explains the Excalibur legend."
    > >
    > > Mr Leland said that the series, which will cost £85 million to make,
    will
    > > be filmed in the West Country next spring. It will "de-evolve", he says,
    > > the story that has captivated writers and artists since the early Middle
    > > Ages. It will attempt to recreate the "historical reality" of what life
    > > was like in ad500, when King Arthur is thought to have reigned. "I am
    not
    > > interested in mysticism. I am not setting out to create magic. There`s
    no
    > > point in making this film unless you get under the skin of it and to the
    > > reality as it would have been at that time." As a result, there will be
    > no
    > > round table in the series, nor any Excalibur scene, Mr Leland said, and
    he
    > > was circumspect about the fate of Merlin, the magician.
    > >
    > > King Arthur will be known as Artos, Sir Lancelot as Bwyr and Guinivere
    as
    > > Gwenever in keeping with the Romano-Celtic translations of those
    > > names. "Sir Lancelot is an invention of medieval poets so we wouldn`t
    > have
    > > a Lancelot figure, but maybe have some essence of who he was instead,"
    > said
    > > Mr Leland, who is known for his work on the Second World War series Band
    > of
    > > Brothers. Instead of the knights there will be a "brotherhood of
    > > companions" wearing leather jerkins and woolly cloaks rather than the
    > > armour of the Crusaders in which they are usually portrayed.
    > >
    > > Spielberg will come to Britain next spring to oversee the project, which
    > is
    > > backed by the American production company HBO. Negotiations are under
    way
    > > to show it the BBC. Casting will start in January.
    > >
    > > The legend of King Arthur is primarily based on Le Morte D`Arthur by Sir
    > > Thomas Malory, written in the 1400s. Malory`s works were the inspiration
    > > for a number of paintings, particularly those by the Pre-Raphaelite
    > > brotherhood in the 19th Century.
    > >
    > > However, Spielberg has competition: Jerry Bruckheimer, another Hollywood
    > > director, is starting work next year on his film King Arthur, which he
    is
    > > shooting in Ireland, and Warner Brothers are bringing out a film based
    on
    > T
    > > H White`s book The Once and Future King. Like Spielberg, Bruckheimer
    has
    > > stated a desire to concentrate on historical accuracy rather than
    > legends -
    > > even though his grasp on the history of the period seems slightly
    > > askew. Describing his film recently, he said: "It happened much earlier
    > > than movies or the English have put it. They changed the way it was
    told.
    > > Arthur was really Roman and the Knights of the Round Table were Russian
    > and
    > > great horsemen."
    > >
    > >
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    On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 00:14, Gary wrote:

    Here`s an article that a few folks on this list might find interesting:

    ----------

    Spielberg puts the Legend of King Arthur to the Sword
    by Catherine Milner

    Steven Spielberg is to demolish the "myth" of Camelot in a television film
    series about King Arthur that does not feature a round table, Excalibur,
    Merlin or knights. The series, which is due to be shot in Britain next
    year, will oppose the traditional view of Camelot as a cloud-covered city
    of towers and battlements by portraying it as a simple Roman fort.

    It`s a start I guess.
    Although it is more probable that Camelot was a Celtic Hill Fort not a
    Roman fort (Cadbury Castle being the most likely choice).



    Perhaps most contentiously, King Arthur will be a humble blacksmith who
    does not become king by drawing the sword Excalibur from a stone, as
    depicted in legend - instead he is feted because he can create steel from
    iron ore. "At that time a blacksmith who could cast iron skillfully was
    regarded highly and would have had the same funeral honours as a king,"
    said David Leland, the film`s scriptwriter and director. "The process of
    casting iron and creating good weapons was a secret and the blacksmiths
    kept their secrets very close to their chest. I think the idea of how you
    get iron from a stone - how you get a good sword from a stone - was one of
    the secrets that explains the Excalibur legend."

    Mr Leland said that the series, which will cost £85 million to make, will
    be filmed in the West Country next spring. It will "de-evolve", he says,
    the story that has captivated writers and artists since the early Middle
    Ages. It will attempt to recreate the "historical reality" of what life
    was like in ad500, when King Arthur is thought to have reigned. "I am not
    interested in mysticism. I am not setting out to create magic. There`s no
    point in making this film unless you get under the skin of it and to the
    reality as it would have been at that time." As a result, there will be no
    round table in the series, nor any Excalibur scene, Mr Leland said, and he
    was circumspect about the fate of Merlin, the magician.

    King Arthur will be known as Artos, Sir Lancelot as Bwyr and Guinivere as
    Gwenever in keeping with the Romano-Celtic translations of those
    names. "Sir Lancelot is an invention of medieval poets so we wouldn`t have
    a Lancelot figure, but maybe have some essence of who he was instead," said
    Mr Leland, who is known for his work on the Second World War series Band of
    Brothers. Instead of the knights there will be a "brotherhood of
    companions" wearing leather jerkins and woolly cloaks rather than the
    armour of the Crusaders in which they are usually portrayed.

    Spielberg will come to Britain next spring to oversee the project, which is
    backed by the American production company HBO. Negotiations are under way
    to show it the BBC. Casting will start in January.

    The legend of King Arthur is primarily based on Le Morte D`Arthur by Sir
    Thomas Malory, written in the 1400s. Malory`s works were the inspiration
    for a number of paintings, particularly those by the Pre-Raphaelite
    brotherhood in the 19th Century.

    However, Spielberg has competition: Jerry Bruckheimer, another Hollywood
    director, is starting work next year on his film King Arthur, which he is
    shooting in Ireland, and Warner Brothers are bringing out a film based on T
    H White`s book The Once and Future King. Like Spielberg, Bruckheimer has
    stated a desire to concentrate on historical accuracy rather than legends -
    even though his grasp on the history of the period seems slightly
    askew. Describing his film recently, he said: "It happened much earlier
    than movies or the English have put it. They changed the way it was told.
    Arthur was really Roman and the Knights of the Round Table were Russian and
    great horsemen."

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    Sounds like it should be on the History channel where fact clobbers fiction.([_]
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    On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 01:55, Rob Foxx wrote:

    Dude your right that movie sounds sucky we all know aurther was a myth built
    up around an actual historical person but don`t you think there is a reason
    we don`t know about the historical saga`s of auther like perhaps it`s a bit
    boring.... not to say the movie has no merit but I would not pay to see
    it.....

    Myth? ...

    The original Arthur is just as heroic a figure if not more heroic than
    the Norman version.

    For BR players, you should be extremely aware of political undercurrent
    - don`t think that politics is a 20th century invention. The original
    Arthur tale is obviously before the time of the Normans. Why then do you
    suppose the Normans wrote themselves into the tale? -- because the
    baddies are the Saxons! -- same bad guy as the Normans needed to
    discredit. At the same time, they needed to paint themselves as the
    heroes of the piece -- and to explain why the Saxons won out over the
    Britons. The commissioning of this rewriting of an old tale to be
    acceptable to the politics of the time was government backed! This is a
    fact - read your history of Mallory.

    The original tale of a native Briton "king" battling the hordes of Saxon
    invaders to a standstill for 50 years - in the face of disunity and
    overwhelming odds was just a little too patriotic.

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    At 11:39 PM 1/21/2003 +0100, irdeggman wrote:

    >Sounds like it should be on the History channel where fact clobbers fiction.

    Yeah, I`d probably prefer a good docuhistory personally.... There already
    has been a few of those things on Arthur, but that`s part of the
    problem. The history is more than a little vague when it comes to the
    "real" Arthur, and contributors to the subject include more than a few
    sensationalists. (My favorites are the guys who say that Arthur and his
    brother discovered America long before either Columbus or the Vikings.)

    If Bruckheimer has anything to do with such a project we can probably count
    on it not having any more than a tangential relationship to history--which
    isn`t necessarily the best thing for a movie anyway. Spielberg`s own
    historical accuracy is somewhat shaky, but he`d probably at least try to
    come up with something "accurate" in some way. Of course, it`s more than
    likely that the project won`t come off at all given the nature of the
    entertainment industry. I`d imagine the success of The Lord of the Rings
    will give such projects a bit of impetus.

    Gary

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    i personaly would like to see a movie of a more historicaly acurate king arthur , he was a celtic roman-briton king in the dark ages not a norman knight in shining armour, and his "wizard" merlin sounds very much like some one of the drudic tradition.

    i always wonderd how the english saw arthur as one of their national heros, he was a celt who fought the saxons , no doubt many english are decended from the celtic race but they are largely saxon and norman as far as i know , how is some one who supposidly made every effort to destroy the saxons now their hero :) ?
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    Satanta wrote:

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    > Satanta wrote:
    > i personaly would like to see a movie of a more historicaly acurate king arthur , he was a celtic roman-briton king in the dark ages not a norman knight in shining armour, and his "wizard" merlin sounds very much like some one of the drudic tradition.
    >
    >i always wonderd how the english saw arthur as one of their national heros, he was a celt who fought the saxons , no doubt many english are decended from the celtic race but they are largely saxon and norman as far as i know , how is some one who supposidly made every effort to destroy the saxons now their hero :) ?
    >
    Charlemagne (Karl der Große) conquered the Saxons (of the area now
    germany) too - and yet he is considered a great leader of great
    achievements in Germany :-)

    The rebels of that small country - newengland was it, right? They are
    the best friend of the former Empire of Great Britain, aren´t they? ;-)
    (and of the rest of the world, too)

    Alexander the Great was from Makedonia - a barbar in the eyes of the
    greeks in Sparta and Athens like his father. And nowadays he´s seen as a
    hellenistic hero...
    bye
    Michael Romes
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    I like this D&D campaign, Birthright! I can practice playing that lovely RPG!:P [glow tcolor=red, fcolor=black, size=2, strength=1]Dungeons & Dragons[/glow]

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