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    the books sugest that there are still elves dwelling in small numbers in some places.
    even the city of proudglaive has a substantial demi-human minority.i read somewhere that it was about 6%(half being halflings and the rest devided between elf and dwarf),now assuming that most members of the elven minority would prefer to live in the country it would not be unreasonable for the entire sidhline population (elfs and 1/2elfs) to number ome 2-4% of the entire pop of rhosone.

    now the books mention elven tribes in the ailvenwode, a land more to their liking and more recently conqured(in elf terms) than roesone, in ruins of empire one of bourines generasl is an 1/2elf whos grandfather serves rhoube and i belive tuornen has a full elf general. taking all of these factors into account it would not be unreasonable to have an sidline population of 8-13%(elf and 1/2elf) and possibly higher in some areas(dhoesone 25-45%).now i know the elf kingdoms which once inhabited these reagons were never very heavily populated but what happened to their popultions, granted many probably died and mny others fled to places like tuarhievel and sielwode but it stands to reason that some elected to stay behind in their ancestral lands.

    rjurik would be diffrent as the elves there are extremely xeniphobic as are those of tuarnnwn in north vosgaurd so there would be few to no minoritys in surrounding realms

    khinasi would be different again, elves arnt native to the desert so there would only be a hndfull who might have gone as exploeres and adventurers or merchants and between the whole reagon number only a few hundred.

    in the rhuannadaraight there are two elven realms with inishiere cloe buy, added to the fact that rhuannach is very open and friendly there would probably be a large 1/2 elf popultion in the region(possibly the biget in cerilla)so it would not be unreasonable for lrge minoritys in this area.

    is there any more mterial on this subject?
    what do ye think?
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    Satanta wrote:

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    >now the books mention elven tribes in the ailvenwode, a land more to their liking and more recently conqured(in elf terms) than roesone, in ruins of empire one of bourines generasl is an 1/2elf whos grandfather serves rhoube and i belive tuornen has a full elf general. taking all of these factors into account it would not be unreasonable to have an sidline population of 8-13%(elf and 1/2elf) and possibly higher in some areas(dhoesone 25-45%)
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    The early USA had General Steuben - but that was not the reason for the
    high percentage of german immigrants. So General Braedonnal Tuare and
    also Fhylie the Sword (half-elf) are no arguments for any percentage of
    elven/half-elven population in Tuornen, they are just single persons.

    With the same right one could claim that all elven population but this
    single half-elven general in Boeruine has been exterminated during the
    bloody wars and skirmishes between Boeurine and Rhuobhe Manslayer. There
    is however nothing to back this up but the imagination of whomever looks
    at the few facts we know.

    >.now i know the elf kingdoms which once inhabited these reagons were never very heavily populated but what happened to their popultions, granted many probably died and mny others fled to places like tuarhievel and sielwode but it stands to reason that some elected to stay behind in their ancestral lands.
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    The Player´s Secrets of Talinie mention that the native elven
    population, called the "Trautha" (stone builders) were utterly destroyed
    and annihilated by the Andu conquerors and that that was different from
    all other conquests of the Andu (p. 4 PS of Talinie).
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    >is there any more mterial on this subject?
    >what do ye think?
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    The early USA had General Steuben - but that was not the reason for the
    high percentage of german immigrants. So General Braedonnal Tuare and
    also Fhylie the Sword (half-elf) are no arguments for any percentage of
    elven/half-elven population in Tuornen, they are just single persons.


    im not suggesting that a couple of individual elves is the basis for a minority, but this coupled with the location and the fact that minoritys exits elsewhere could indicate elven minoritys in other regions.

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    The Player´s Secrets of Talinie mention that the native elven
    population, called the "Trautha" (stone builders) were utterly destroyed
    and annihilated by the Andu conquerors and that that was different from
    all other conquests of the Andu (p. 4 PS of Talinie).

    so apart from talinine the elven population was not completely wiped out?
    anyone know where i can get my hands on a copy of the PS of talinie?
    Satanta

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    Originally posted by Satanta
    so apart from talinine the elven population was not completely wiped out?
    anyone know where i can get my hands on a copy of the PS of talinie?
    What do you mean with wiped out? Are we talking of elves living in human communities or do you mean elves in general?

    there are several elven domains in cerilia, for example

    Thuarhievel (Anuire)
    Sielwode (Anuire)
    Rhuobhe Domain (Anuire)
    Coullabhie (Brecht)
    Rhuannach (Kinashi)
    Cwmb Bheinn (Kinashi)
    Innishiere (Kinashi)
    Tuar Annwn (Vos)
    Lluabraight (Rjurik)

    Elves are not common in human communities, but there are some. it's pretty much the same than in every fantasy campaign.
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    On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Azrai wrote:
    > What do you mean with wiped out? Are we talking of elves living in
    > human communities or do you mean elves in general?

    He means the elves that lived in that part of the Aelvinwode before humans
    settled it.
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    I can`t picture a larger population of elves living among the human population of Anuire, given the history of Cerilia. There are probably still small clans of elves in remote areas within human domains, waging a guerilla war against the humans or just staying out of sight, but I guess that elves would be a rare sight within human settlements. I guess these elves would be frequently harassed by suspicious humans and pogroms wouldn`t be uncommon.

    However, the notion of elven ghettos within larger Anuirean Cities has some potential. How about an elven crime lord for a villain, who deals with drugs and is involved in other illegal activities such as the slave trade, justifying his actions as an attempt to weaken the humans and/or to exert revenge?

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    On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Christoph Tiemann wrote:
    > I can`t picture a larger population of elves living among the human
    > population of Anuire, given the history of Cerilia. There are probably
    > still small clans of elves in remote areas within human domains,
    > waging a guerilla war against the humans or just staying out of sight,
    > but I guess that elves would be a rare sight within human settlements.
    > I guess these elves would be frequently harassed by suspicious humans
    > and pogroms wouldn`t be uncommon.

    There are definitely elves in Tuornen and Dhoesone, living as part of the
    population. Elsewhere, there may be elves, but I doubt anyone sees them.
    There`s still a lot of empty space in Cerilia. The forest in southern
    Roesone and Aerenwe probably has elves in it. So too Boeruine and
    Cariele, they just don`t interact with anyone. If there`s a demihuman
    population listed for a realm, I`d go with mostly halflings and a few
    dwarves.
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    Christoph Tiemann wrote:

    >I can`t picture a larger population of elves living among the human population of Anuire, given the history of Cerilia. There are probably still small clans of elves in remote areas within human domains, waging a guerilla war against the humans or just staying out of sight, but I guess that elves would be a rare sight within human settlements. I guess these elves would be frequently harassed by suspicious humans and pogroms wouldn`t be uncommon.
    >However, the notion of elven ghettos within larger Anuirean Cities has some potential. How about an elven crime lord for a villain, who deals with drugs and is involved in other illegal activities such as the slave trade, justifying his actions as an attempt to weaken the humans and/or to exert revenge?
    >Christoph Tiemann
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    From a purely alignment point of view that would be evil - sidhelien
    are more like nature, e.g. true neutral or similar.
    And most sidhelien are not lawful - and thus would have problems working
    in a larger organization, or even to lead such an organization. Rhuobhe
    might be one of the few who could do it - lawful evil as he is.
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    Satanta wrote:

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    >so apart from talinine the elven population was not completely wiped out?
    >anyone know where i can get my hands on a copy of the PS of talinie?
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    Ebay? Wizards of the Coast?
    bye
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    The Manslayer is Neutral Evil. The elves in general aren`t evil; but it
    doesn`t prevent them from carrying out the "Hunt of the Elves" which is
    aimed at killing off any "invaders" into their lands. It is a sort of
    guerilla war on their part; so killing off humans to them isn`t evil. Sort
    of your perspective really.

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    Christoph Tiemann wrote:

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    From a purely alignment point of view that would be evil - sidhelien
    are more like nature, e.g. true neutral or similar.
    And most sidhelien are not lawful - and thus would have problems working
    in a larger organization, or even to lead such an organization. Rhuobhe
    might be one of the few who could do it - lawful evil as he is.
    bye
    Michael

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