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    Who is the man that control the strong army of anuire...
    More High Level Lt., more troops, ...

    Speak your mind...
    I think it is Prince Avan.
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    Other than the Gorgon you mean?

    I say Ghoere.
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    (Without vassals or allies - internal or external - ground forces by
    number and quality)

    1. Ghoere

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    In most regards you probably have to go with the Gorgon, the Magian or the
    Raven. Among the non-awnsheghlien it`s probably Ghoere, but if you count
    ships as part of the "military" then Avan probably has an advantage, but I
    wouldn`t discount Boeruine either. If you include the total military
    strength of the rulers with their control of various vassals, then Avan and
    Boeruine (Ghoere is out of the running and so too are most of the
    awnsheghlien, really, even the Big Three) but I think Avan has a bit of an
    advantage.

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    Whats stops Gorgon to conquer the anuire?
    It isnt what he desires?
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    Originally posted by Onwen Agelmore

    Whats stops Gorgon to conquer the anuire? It isnt what he desires?
    Nothing... It's a question why he didn't try it until now!
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    Its part of an adventure plotline hook setup by the game designers for the GM to use. The Gorgon represents an overwhelming agent of evil for the PCs and all of Anuire to unite against. It can also be a used as a catalyst to bring about an emperor.

    Why hasn't he struck yet? My personal opinion is that he believes he can still be defeated if Anuire were to be united under a single banner. I believe his strike is imminent, but he is waiting for Anuire to destroy itself from within. The boxed set leaves Anuire in a state in which the various regents will soon via for power through military force. When such a civil war ensues their forces will be weakened or engaged elsewhere and unable to come to the defense of the northeastern provinces. Simply being able to conquer your opponent on the battlefield does not guarantee victory. If the people oppose your rule you must be able to quell their rebellion. The Gorgon does not simple need the military strength to conquer the defenders of Anuire, but to be able to completely subdue it. It’s not exactly a small empire to hold in a stone tight fist.
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    As too the original question... In terms of numbers its Avanil, in terms of military power and strength I beleive that Ghoere's forces are better trained, led and equipped. In an actual war I beleive Ghoere would be victorious.
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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Onwen Agelmore" <brnetboard@TUARHIEVEL.ORG>
    Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 9:29 AM

    > Whats stops Gorgon to conquer the anuire?
    > It isnt what he desires?

    Its the Gorgon against the world. Them`s stiff odds, even for a nearly
    imortal being. Plus, the Gorgon has trained the world to be vigilant
    against him. If any serious move is made against any realm, the world has
    been pretty good about resisting en mass. Obviously some occassions have
    arrisen in which the world has not gotten together (and by world I just mean
    a force sufficient to repel the Gorgon). Kiergard is the most recent
    example. But as we know, once bitten is twice shy, so Kiergard acts as just
    the most recent reminder of why vigilence and unity in the face of the
    Gorgon is so critical.

    Further, actual conquest is hard. Its much harder than victory. For one
    thing, it requires a fairly long period of occupation. The standard rules,
    esp as expressed in the computer game, don`t reflect this well. The
    peasants might not have a great deal of interest over whether they are
    governed by Ghoere or Mhoried, but I`m reasonably sure they certainly don`t
    want to be subjects of the Gorgon. The one place where the rules really
    support something like this is in the Rebellion rules on p.48. A province
    in rebellion puts all holdings into a virtual state of contest. You can`t
    rule contested holdings up, and ruling them out of contest is meaningless
    because if the province is still in rebellion (or will fall back
    momentarily) they`re contested again.

    In terms of random events, recently conquered areas are subject to
    Assasination, Feud, Corruption or Crime, Brigandage, Intrigue, Unrest or
    Rebellion, Matter of Justice, and Great Captain. Let examine each one of
    these in the specific context of a province recenly conquered by the Gorgon.

    Assasination: This is the resistance against the Gorgon in action. The
    attempt is almost certainly made against a key lieutenant rather than the
    Gorgon himself, but its a pain in the neck none the less. If its
    unresolved, the lieutenant could be killed, forcing the Gorgon to send in
    someone from the bench.

    Feud: The obvious issue hear is a conflict between companies of troops.
    Perhaps the dwarves and orogs have come to blows. Or humans and gnolls.
    Perhaps its just two human companies fighting over spoils. Maybe a personal
    rivalry between captains. The struggle within the Gorgon`s organization
    cost him one level of a law holding (if he`s begun to build them) and he`s
    got to deal with the conflict in his own ranks. This could even cost him
    regency.

    Corruption or Crime: The text on this one certainly applies to conquered
    territory. Its a case of the Gorgon`s underlings taking too great a portion
    of the spoils, to the point here it costs the Gorgon. Maybe he thinks its a
    cost of doing business of this kind, maybe he kills the offender with that
    officer`s replacement as an afterthought. Either way, doesn`t make the job
    easier.

    Brigandage: Troops in conquered territory are liable to this, a lower level
    talking to great of the spoils. Of course this can also be raids of
    displaced locals comming back to burn and destroy their former stuff before
    it can be used for greater evil. It could be a small as tying down a unit,
    to causing a loss in income of 1d6 GB. If left unresolved, its supposed to
    be a major loss of regency. Though given the Gorgon`s policies, that`s
    probabaly not appropraite. He`s not out to protect his people. Still that
    may just be another price to pay for being against the land`s will.

    Intrigue: Good help is hard to find. Its one of the reasons that the
    Gorgon culls his staff every decade or so. Giving them actual
    responsibility just invites their disloyalty.

    Unrest or Rebellion: A serious problem for the prospective conqueror. The
    residents want their old ruler back. Or maybe just anyone but the Gorgon.
    In any event, loyalty drops and the Gorgon has to expend an action to
    resolve it. Such an event could assist former rulers who are fomenting
    rebellion.

    Matter of Justice: A people occupied by the Gorgon certainly have
    grievances. Of course its manifest more in the form of a rebellion than in
    a polite petition, but it still has the risk of reducing loyalty one grade
    in the whole realm (defined as a territory with similar sentiments). If the
    Gorgon gets this event in Kiergard, one can say that Brand Mournsinger has
    rallied the people with some declaration or word has spread of a meeting of
    Kiergard`s true nobles. Hope in a restoration or just hatred for the Gorgon
    results in conundrum from the Gorgon. He can do they benevolent tyrant
    thing and release a few prisoners, grant mercy to capital cases, relax his
    iron grip a bit and take the bloodline hit, or more likely, suffer the
    loyalty hit. In a newly conquered province or provinces this would likewise
    reflect a resistance declaration, hope for restoration or hatred of the
    Gorgon, and again a probable loyalty grade reduction for all concerned
    provinces.

    Great Captain: This comes from outside the Gorgon`s organization. Its a
    spontaneous creation of a serious leader of the resistance. A charismatic
    hero has come to defend the populous. A conquered province suddenly sees
    it`s law holding crushed by the hero who suddenly gains a similar lawholding
    himself. Robin Hood has removed the Sheriff of Nottingham. The hero could
    cause the rebellion to spread. Every turn the leader is out and about, he
    gains another holding or province. The Gorgon can`t win the hero over, so
    assasination, capture, or military action is needed.

    In addition to all of this headache, a gigantic pool of regency and actions
    are out there to foment problems and resistance in any new conquests.
    Consider this tactic. The Gorgon has taken Marloer`s Gap and Dhalsiel. The
    Mhor, Haelyn`s Aegis, Erik`s Oaken Grove, and the Maesil Shippers have a
    hardened holding each. By hardened I mean it may be a secret holding, it
    may be fortified, it may be hiding out in "Sherwood Forest". A holding is
    people, not structures, so the key people of the holding still have a bond
    with the people and are still operating in the province. Haelyn`s Aegis and
    Erik`s Oaken Grove use their free Agitate actions to keep the province in
    rebellion. Maesil Shippers uses its free Espionage action to stir up
    trouble for the Gorgon`s occupation force. The Mhor and other rulers
    contest any Gorgon friendly holdings preventing practical conquest from
    taking place. Eventually the Gorgon regards these provinces as such a drain
    on his pool of men, GB`s, and RP`s, that he just abandons them.

    Its easy for him to march anywhere and defeat any one army, or any number of
    armies in succession. Its holding land that is the problem. To hold land
    he needs to reduce the power of the rulers most able to resist him.
    Basically all the rulers in Mhoried, Ghoere, and Elinie, both landed and
    holding, need to have their base of support cut out from under them. The
    problem is, the Gorgon can`t do it himself. If the Gorgon were to rampage
    around in central Anuire, pillaging and destroying, first he`d see the
    soutern and western coasts build up armies to contest him. Second, the
    longer it took for him to weaken the center, the more likely that the nobles
    and rulers of Anuire would decided that it was time to put differences aside
    and recognize Darien Avan as Emperor, with Aeric Boeruine as Chancellor,
    Heirl Diem as Steward, and Gavin Tael as Marshal.

    So, the Gorgon tries to set the nobles off against one another so that they
    weaken each other. He`s outsourced the destruction to the rulers
    themselves. Depending on how much you imagine they pillage one another,
    this may or may not be working. The Gorgon would like to hope that so much
    bad blood passes between the rulers of Anuire that if he were to go on the
    offensive it would take so long to organize a concerted resistance, and that
    coalition would be so shakey that it would not amont to a unified
    resistance. But, obviously, all of this has not come to pass.

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    Kenneth explained very well, but it can be resumed in his first sentence why the Gorgon doesn't take all Anuire:
    "Its the Gorgon against the world".
    He may be the single strongest regent, but against all kingdoms united he could fall. The question is: will they unite in time?

    But back to the original question, the Baron of Ghoere has the strongest army because he doens't plays by the rules. Sure, neither Prince Avan nor Archduke Boeruine are totally honorable, but they have at least a little honor. The baron, however, follows only HIS rules.

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