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11-17-2003, 02:46 PM #11KzintoshGuest
In all the methodologies used to "enable" roleplaying (read, alignment) I've found the Palladium concept to be most sound. It identifies ethics, no abstract concepts...for example, aberrant (your raving chaotic evil, if you would), principaled, etc. Personally, I prefer to do away with the concept of alignment and allow the players to just role-play their character concepts as they see fit. Oops...gotta get to work. I'll post more later.
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04-05-2004, 11:30 PM #12
I think Ruornil has a connection to nature and sponsors rangers to protect
the sacred places.
Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com
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04-06-2004, 01:00 PM #13
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> This could cause problems, IMO, in areas like Vosgaard
> where Erik is all but unknown and they do not have a
> shortage of rangers.
I don`t think there are rangers in Vosgaard. All of the nature and survival
benefits can be had with the barbarian class. I`m not saying that no one
ever takes ranger levels, but I am dubious that that there are characters
who are mostly ranger, or whose character concept is drawn from the ranger
concept. Barbarian meets Vos needs and better fits their culture.
Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com
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04-06-2004, 01:20 PM #14
At 07:34 AM 4/6/2004 -0500, Kenneth Gauck wrote:
>I don`t think there are rangers in Vosgaard. All of the nature and survival
>benefits can be had with the barbarian class. I`m not saying that no one
>ever takes ranger levels, but I am dubious that that there are characters
>who are mostly ranger, or whose character concept is drawn from the ranger
>concept. Barbarian meets Vos needs and better fits their culture.
As a rough guideline it might make sense to contrast the number of
barbarians in Rjurik and Vos cultures. The Rjurik certainly have a few
folks who rage running about, though not as many as the Vos, and the Vos
probably have a number of rangers (specialize in particular opponents) in a
similar way. If the Vos have X rangers and Y barbarians the Rjurik might
have Y rangers and X barbarians--as a percentage of their overall
populations, I mean.
Gary
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04-06-2004, 06:20 PM #15
It depends on what we mean by "ranger". If we are speaking of a collection
of mechanics, I frankly don`t care who gets what. What the Vos probabaly
have none of are "protector, aiding those who live in or travel though the
woods," "defenders of nature," or "allies of animals and beasts of the
wild."
The Vos are a culture of domination, not of being helpful and protecting
things just because. Protection is offered because service is given in
return. In fact the protection racket is probabaly a better analogy, I
protect you because you serve me, and I am protecting you not only from
outsiders but from myself. Stop serving an I will be first in line to
punish you.
Its the ethos of the ranger that is lacking from Vos culture, not the
mechanics. I think the mechanics of the Barbarian serve pretty well, but as
I wrote before I don`t have a problem with a few ranger levels being taken
to obtain mechanics lacking there.
Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com
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04-06-2004, 10:00 PM #16
Osprey mentions the possibility of an NPC version of the
ranger. Since I mentioned Sages and Specialists yesterday,
I immediatly thought of the 2e guide class presented there.
Looking at that class for a possible 3e conversion, as a mine
for ideas, I see some interesting things.
Rogue style BAB progression
Reflex Save
Evasion as a class feature at low level, Improved Evasion at high level
Track, but probabaly not as soon as the Ranger
A facility with languages which would be useful locally
Some local history bonus
Four, maybe six skill points.
You could build this class based off of an Expert.
The non-spellcasting ranger, which is the standard IMC, seems to have
thoroughly arrived.
Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com
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04-06-2004, 10:20 PM #17
I`d agree with Falcon, rangers (and druids) can be assigned
to many faiths. I`ve used druids of Ruornil and Kriesha,
which Falcon has suggested, and am open to druids of
Nesirie and Avani as well. I use of a bit of re-design for
each of these types.
http://home.mchsi.com/~kgauck/taelshore/ruornil.htm
here is my druid of Ruornil, with a familiar instead of a
companion, bonus feats as per a wizard, and lessor
wildshape.
http://home.mchsi.com/~kgauck/taelshore/kriesha-d.html
here is my druid of Kriesha, with a arctic adjuested
class features, and at high levels a shadow world emphasis.
Note that each has its own spell list.
Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com
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04-07-2004, 08:30 AM #18
At 01:01 PM 4/6/2004 -0500, Kenneth Gauck wrote:
>Its the ethos of the ranger that is lacking from Vos culture, not the
>mechanics. I think the mechanics of the Barbarian serve pretty well, but as
>I wrote before I don`t have a problem with a few ranger levels being taken
>to obtain mechanics lacking there.
Before 3e rangers certainly had an ethos that would be counter to that of
the Vos, and that ethos was reflected in certain game mechanics for the
class; the "any good" alignment requirement, the list of opponents that
they gained bonuses to attack, etc. In 3e, however, most of that stuff has
been excised and the class itself is pretty much neutral in that
regard. It still lingers, certainly, in text like "Most are good, and they
are protectors of wild areas" in the class description, but it`s not a
requirement any more, and the mechanics of the class itself are pretty much
disconnected to the ethos of the characters themselves. Other D20 products
have used the class as the basis for less noble characters; bounty hunters,
woodland bandits, etc. so on the whole I think it could be used to portray
Vos characters pretty well.
Gary
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04-07-2004, 07:42 PM #19
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Originally posted by geeman@Apr 7 2004, 10:30 AM
Before 3e rangers certainly had an ethos that would be counter to that of
the Vos, and that ethos was reflected in certain game mechanics for the
class; the "any good" alignment requirement, the list of opponents that
they gained bonuses to attack, etc. In 3e, however, most of that stuff has
been excised and the class itself is pretty much neutral in that
regard. It still lingers, certainly, in text like "Most are good, and they
are protectors of wild areas" in the class description, but it`s not a
requirement any more, and the mechanics of the class itself are pretty much
disconnected to the ethos of the characters themselves. Other D20 products
have used the class as the basis for less noble characters; bounty hunters,
woodland bandits, etc. so on the whole I think it could be used to portray
Vos characters pretty well.
Yeah, I can picture Vos ranger as being tenacious hunter-trackers without mercy, stopping at nothing to find and kill their prey, for example. mmm... Where have I heard that before?
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05-09-2004, 01:55 AM #20
I've been gone for almost a year (and may not actually be around long. Our Birthright group is as good as dead and there has been little hope of revival. The only players I can peice together are interested in BattleTech so we've been playing that.).
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