3e BR Question for the BR 3e team.

[Birthright-L]

This is directed to the 3e Birthright Design Team.

I am trying to draw up the NPCs for my PS of Diemed and I am wondering what domains are being used for each god in the new suppliment. Well I have quite a number of other questions relating to how NPCs and PCs are going to be created in the new suppliment.

I would love to be able to write this module as one of the first items for the new 3eCS. Who should I direct my questions to on the staff? I don`t want to flood this list with questions that can be handled via direct email.

Anakin Miller

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[Raesene Andu]

I can you an answer on the domain info for birthright's gods (which is in chapter 4 or the BRCS).

Avani (Glory, Sun, reason, knowledge, magic)
Erik (Animal, Earth, Plant, Travel)
Haelyn (Justice, Law, Nobility, War)
Moradin (Artifice, Creation, Dwarf, earth, good)
Belinik (Chaos, Evil, fear, hatred, war)
Nesirie (Community, Good, Healing, Repose, Sea, Water)
Sera (Luck, Trade, Travel, Wealth)
Cuiraecen (Chaos, Good, Strength, Storm, War)
Eloele (Chaos, Evil, Night, Trickery)
Kriesha (Evil, Law, Pain, Winter)
Laerme (Charm, Chaos, Flame, Good)
Ruornil (Knowledge, Magic, Moon, Rune, Spell)
Cold Rider (Death, Evil)

This list is not final though, this only represents the current draft info, and the chapter is not even complete enough to call it a first draft yet, I'm still busy editing and adding material.

I can answer any other questions you might have about gods/relgions, either like this, or by e-mail (hoss@chariot.net.au). I'm sure the other memebers of the development team will be able to help you with questions you have about other chapters.

[Birthright-L]

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Raesene Andu wrote:
> Raesene Andu wrote:
> I can you an answer on the domain info for birthright`s gods (which
> is in chapter 4 or the BRCS).
>
> Avani (Glory, Sun, reason, knowledge, magic)
> Erik (Animal, Earth, Plant, Travel)
> Haelyn (Justice, Law, Nobility, War)
> Moradin (Artifice, Creation, Dwarf, earth, good)
> Belinik (Chaos, Evil, fear, hatred, war)
> Nesirie (Community, Good, Healing, Repose, Sea, Water)
> Sera (Luck, Trade, Travel, Wealth)
> Cuiraecen (Chaos, Good, Strength, Storm, War)
> Eloele (Chaos, Evil, Night, Trickery)
> Kriesha (Evil, Law, Pain, Winter)
> Laerme (Charm, Chaos, Flame, Good)
> Ruornil (Knowledge, Magic, Moon, Rune, Spell)
> Cold Rider (Death, Evil)
>
> This list is not final though, this only represents the current draft
> info, and the chapter is not even complete enough to call it a first
> draft yet, I`m still busy editing and adding material.

Quite a few of these domains are not Open Game content. How do you plan
to deal with that?
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[Raesene Andu]

Orginally posted by Birthright-L
Quite a few of these domains are not Open Game content. How do you plan
to deal with that?


The domains listed are not necessarily those presented in the official products. For example, there is a Moon domain in the FRCS, but it is not the same as our version. The same goes for the Hatred, Storm, Rune, etc domains. Out versions are significantly different, only the names are the same (and in most cases we were using those domain names before the FRCS was released).

[Starfox]

Raesene Andu <brnetboard@TUARHIEVEL.ORG> wrote at 02-09-18 23.58:

> The domains listed are not necessarily those presented in the official
> products. For example, there is a Moon domain in the FRCS, but it is not the
> same as our version. The same goes for the Hatred, Storm, Rune, etc domains.
> Out versions are significantly different, only the names are the same (and in
> most cases we were using those domain names before the FRCS was released).

I suggest you try to find your own names for these domains. It might involve
very simple changes, such as "Moradin`s Runes", but I wouldn`t use the same
names.

First, to avoid confusion.

Second, "using" something before a published WotC source is not really good
enough under the OGL - It is very restrictive that way. If WotC thinks you
have usurped their "product identity", you actually have to have had
something PUBLISHED before they do in order to be protected.

Third, as the legal grounds of conversion manuals is loose at best - based
on an early, unoffical policy from WotC - which has since been restructured
by their owners - I would take every precation to stay "under the radar".


If I remember right, the old "gentleman`s agreement" on conversion books was
that they were OK if they were straight conversions. Making a full adaption,
or including and expanding on the base source material, was not covered. If
someone purchases the Birthright title, they are likely to eiter bye your
product (perhaps using some or all of it, but modified to their tastes) or
ask you to desist.

However, I don`t think anyone will ever bye out Birthright - so I think you
are safe in this regard. But I would still advice you to do everything you
can to stay under the radar.

/Carl Cramér

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[Raesene Andu]

Orginally posted by Starfox

I suggest you try to find your own names for these domains. It might involve
very simple changes, such as "Moradin`s Runes", but I wouldn`t use the same
names.


This is likely to be done. I should point out that the list I've posted above is a very early draft. Some domains mentioned wil be culled (Personally I don't think Nesirie needs 6 domains, I'll probably reduce that to 4). Names, domains spells, etc are all still being decided and until actually agreed on and sanctioned by the BR development team, anything I post should be look on as a DRAFT version.




Third, as the legal grounds of conversion manuals is loose at best - based
on an early, unoffical policy from WotC - which has since been restructured
by their owners - I would take every precation to stay "under the radar".


I believe, as it stands, anything published by Birthright.net (as the official Birthright Website) can include material from any of the birthright sourcebooks, providing the necessary disclaimers are included. This includes images, provided a short disclaimer is embeded in or below each image, text, names, concepts, etc. This assumes that anything we publish derives no income in any way shape or form and remains a fan created free download.

However, I should point out that so far the BRCS has been completely rewriten. Certainly it includes some of the old material (names, a couple of the tables, spells, etc), but rather than copy it word for word, we have rewriten and expanded the entire rulebook. It remains Birthright, but do not expect an exact copy of the old 2E rulebook and rules.

And I agree with your last comment, I don't think anyone is likely to buy out Birthright anytime soon. I also doubt WotC has any intention of publishing new material, although some things are making it into products Rich Baker is working on, especially his novels.

[Ariadne]

Orginally posted by Raesene Andu

I can you an answer on the domain info for birthright's gods (which is in chapter 4 or the BRCS). [...]

Cuiraecen (Chaos, Good, Strength, Storm, War)
Excellent! This was exactly what I would gave him too...

But which storm domain? The FR version, Travis Doom's or the weather version of "deities and demigods"? (PC's [DM's] choice?)

[Starfox]

Ariadne <brnetboard@TUARHIEVEL.ORG> wrote at 02-09-19 12.54:

>> Cuiraecen (Chaos, Good, Strength, Storm, War)[/quote]
>> Excellent! This was exactly what I would gave him too...
>>

> But which storm domain? The FR version, Travis Doom`s or the weather version
> of "deities and demigods"? (PC`s [DM`s] choice?)

What about leaving the people who are trying to work on this some peace? One
of the reasons a project like this is not a project is because of the
difficulty of coordinating all the diverse viewpoints that exist.

In this case, some advance information was spilled on a subject that is as
yet not even a preview - you can`t press for details at this point, or the
people working on this will mum up completely.

/Carl

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[Sir Justine]

Well, until the BRCS doesn't arrive, here is how I use domains IMC:
Avani-------------------Knowledge, Magic, Sun
Belinik------------------Destruction, Strenght, Fear*
Cuiraécen--------------Strenght, War, Storm* (seens everyone agrees here! :))
Eloéle-------------------Trickery, Darkness*, Thievery*
Haelyn------------------Protection, War, Nobility*
Kriesha-----------------Death, Suffering*, Winter*
Laerme-----------------Fire, Charm*, Craft*
Nesirie------------------Travel, Water, Ocean*
Ruornil------------------Magic, Moon*, Spell*
Sera---------------------Luck, Fate*, Trade*

*Domains not listed on the PHB. Some of these I took from other books, others I created.
Note that, while I didn't listed, every god has the domains of his alignment...
And I didn't gave Erik domains because his priests are druids, not clerics.

[Starfox]

Carl Cramér <carl.cramer@HOME.SE> wrote at 02-09-19 13.03:

> What about leaving the people who are trying to work on this some peace? One
> of the reasons a project like this is not a project is because of the
> difficulty of coordinating all the diverse viewpoints that exist.
>
> In this case, some advance information was spilled on a subject that is as
> yet not even a preview - you can`t press for details at this point, or the
> people working on this will mum up completely.
>
> /Carl

Sorry - this came trough as very harsh. I have nothing, peronal or
otherwise, against you or your question. My point was just tp let these
people work on their project without having to spend time explaining every
half-finished though they have.

/Carl Cramér
In need of the grace of Nesire

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[Ariadne]

Orginally posted by Starfox

What about leaving the people who are trying to work on this some peace? One of the reasons a project like this is not a project is because of the difficulty of coordinating all the diverse viewpoints that exist.
It was just a question...

[Ariadne]

@ Starfox: Oops... next I'll try to read until the end, O.K.? :)

[Birthright-L]

On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Carl Cram[ISO-8859-1] ér wrote:
> What about leaving the people who are trying to work on this some peace? One
> of the reasons a project like this is not a project is because of the
> difficulty of coordinating all the diverse viewpoints that exist.

(one of the reasons a project is not a project... ? I couldn`t parse that
out.)

> In this case, some advance information was spilled on a subject that is as
> yet not even a preview - you can`t press for details at this point, or the
> people working on this will mum up completely.

They`ve had some peace, for quite a while, and hardly released a thing.
Given that they`ve already `mummed up completely`, why shouldn`t he press
for details?
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[Raesene Andu]

Orginally posted by Starfox
Sorry - this came trough as very harsh. I have nothing, peronal or
otherwise, against you or your question. My point was just tp let these
people work on their project without having to spend time explaining every
half-finished though they have.


Especially on this particular chapter. It is only half written at the moment, and most of it hasn't been seen by the other members of the team. Considerable discussions, changes, etc will be needed before it is finalised. And when it is, the information in this chapter could impact on the other chapters and require changes there. (The clerical domains are the prime example here, details are in the chapter on magic, but if I make changes in the god's section, as I have already done, this will impact on the magic chapter).

So I can reply to questions, but my answers are only correct at the time I wrote them, they could change as time passes, if that makes any sense.

So, Ariadne, to answer your question. Use the storm domain from travis doom's conversion for now. It is likely to change for the BRCS, but at this current stage in the project, they are the same (and this is because Travis wrote the magic chapter :)

As an aside, anyone looking for actual sanctioned material from the BRCS should check out the Birthright E-Zine I'm setting up. In the first issue, and in all issues leading up to the release of the BRCS, we will have a regular feature looking at the BRCS, similar to the countdown to 3E from Dragon going back a couple of years. The first issue should be available by november. I'll post closer to the release day with information on what else to expect.

[Ariadne]

Oh yes, this was an answer! Thank you...


The only problem I have is that I don't have access to Travis storm version in the moment. I've only read it once.

I hate the FR granted power and I know, that Travis has another, but I don't know which.

So I've created a own storm version (at times, as Travis gave Cuiraécen the Air domain), please tell me the difference to Travis' (if possible and if I don't kill your nerves ;) ):

Power: Intuide direction and Knowledge (nature) are class skills

Spells: 1st: shocking grasp, 2nd: resist elements, 3rd: call lightning, 4th: ice storm, 5th: control winds, 6th: chain lightning, 7th: control weather, 8th: wirlwind, 9th: storm of vengeance.

[Raesene Andu]

Travis' storm domains was as follows.

Storm Domain
Deity: Cuiraécen.

Granted Power: You gain electrical resistance 5.

Storm Domain Spells
1 Obscuring mist
2 Wind wall
3 Call lightning
4 Sleet storm
5 Ice storm
6 Control winds
7 Control weather
8 Whirlwind
9 Storm of vengeance

[Ariadne]

Ummm.... then it is not this different from the FR version...