the emperor returns!!!

[marcum uth mather]

what would it take in all your learned minds for the chamberlin to say a regent is emperor? if you held all the hearlands would that be enough, or would it require more. what new and exiting things would the emperor get that a person who only controlled MOST of anure would't

[Denakhan]

...what would it take? That's easy! It would take the chamberlin to say "you are Emporer", the support of the population of all controled lands, the support of all the regeants under your control. Oh, and the deities (all of them) blessing. ;)

The population has to "go along with it". Lot's of ways to accomplish this; being generous, just, fair and all that stuff would help.

The regeants have to, basically, be "out of the picture". Kinda like driving a motercycle; only one person can do it at a time. ;) Controling, and thusly being tied to, the land in BR is an all-or-nothing thing. So, either conquering or having them give it up.

The deities who are not worshiped by the new Emporer might have a say in it. I'm doubtful that the Evil (or Good, as the case may be) deities might find it difficult to opperate if the Emporer started outlawing (or "discouraging by force") the worship of other deities.

That's my guess anyway.

[Lord Eldred]

First and foremost you would have to show the Chamberlain that you have some claim to the throne. Some of the major named regents can do that already. You would also have to show that your claim is greater than all others. I think you show that in different ways...

1. All the regents in the land declare that you are the rightful heir.

2. The people all support you.

3. A god says it is so.

4. You take over everything through military force.

I don't think that you need all of the above to make it happen.

Once you have it...I believe there is bonus regency involved and a bunch more headaches...

[soudhadies]

I think that one major bonus to the reign of any one designated by the chamberlain would be legitimacy, which is crucial to any government. A regent who crowned himself emperor after conquering most of Anuire would face opposition from almost all sides if the chamberlain refused to designate him. Especially (diabolical grin) if the chamberlain pointed to someone else as the legitimate heir to the Iron throne.

[corvus]

Heh, thats when the truly bold leader steps up to the plate, declares the
Anuirean Empire dead and gone, and announces the formation of a new Empire
based on his authority. To back this up, he could contact those who are in
the lower rungs of the current anuirean system and offer them higher places
in the new system. Works everytime.... except for when it doesn`t.

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>Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:06:08 +0200
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>Bearcat wrote:
> I think that one major bonus to the reign of any one designated by the
>chamberlain would be legitimacy, which is crucial to any government. A
>regent who crowned himself emperor after conquering most of Anuire would
>face opposition from almost all sides if the chamberlain refused to
>designate him. Especially (diabolical grin) if the chamberlain pointed to
>someone else as the legitimate heir to the Iron throne.
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[Peter Lubke]

On Thu, 2002-07-11 at 16:06, brnetboard@TUARHIEVEL.ORG wrote:

Bearcat wrote:
I think that one major bonus to the reign of any one designated by the chamberlain would be legitimacy, which is crucial to any government. A regent who crowned himself emperor after conquering most of Anuire would face opposition from almost all sides if the chamberlain refused to designate him. Especially (diabolical grin) if the chamberlain pointed to someone else as the legitimate heir to the Iron throne.

Plus of course, the chamberlain would cede the rulership of the Imperial
City -- which could be significant itself.

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[Lord Eldred]

Just have the Chamberlain killed and frame your main enemy to taking the thrown!

[Kappenkriaucheran]

Well, in the Chamberlain´s eyes the new Emperor would have to be lawful good, judging from his views about the Boeruines and Avans (both are lawful neutral). And the would-be-Emperor should ideally be related to the Roeles. As for godly approval he´d only need the blessing of Haelyn IMO.
The only qualified person that comes to my mind is Michael Mhoried; he´s LG, and one of his ancestors had an illegitimate child with an Emperor of Anuire shortly after Mhoried was incorporated into the Anuirean Empire (according to the BR timeline; that´s what I call diplomacy :) ). He´s certainly got tough opposition though (Avanil, Boeruine, Ghoere, the Gorgon). I wonder why he´s called Michael. Probably just a coincidence ;) .

Recovering the lost sielsheighlien of the Crowns of Anuire might also be helpful :) .

[Lord Eldred]

It is probably not a coincidence. Especially if he was born under Michael Roele reign. It was not uncommon to give children the names of the king and queen.

Maybe I missed something or had a brain freeze but what is the lost sielsheighlien of the Crowns of Anuire?

[Lord Grave]

>
>
> Lord Eldred wrote:
> It is probably not a coincidence. Especially if he was born
> under Michael Roele reign. It was not uncommon to give
> children the names of the king and queen.
>
> Maybe I missed something or had a brain freeze but what is
> the lost sielsheighlien of the Crowns of Anuire?
>

They are the gems which enhance your Bloodline. Lots of them were
embeded in Emperor`s Crown, but were all lost.

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[marcum uth mather]

So what would happen if lets say Avanil took over the imperial city. o and by the way through a massive sea build up was able to take out the capital city of Boeruine. there Army holds the whole province of seahedge. would this count as a legitamit bid for the throne? He has the backing of a major temple. he has the right blood line. My players are in a campain were the world is at this point so i am just wondering

[Lord Eldred]

Does he have the backing of the other regents of the land?

[marcum uth mather]

O GOD NO !!!
every one in the Boeruine camp is preparing to evict him. o and i also have it were the gorgon is VERY interested in the whole thing, the standered " heartlands in trouble, time to invade " thing. But no, his vassels are behind him. ( not the P.C.s ) and his temple allies are to. o and the chamberlin is too busy leading the imperial gard and the knights of the iron thron up nourth to help Mhoried incase of a gorgon invasion( loming very near) .

[Lord Eldred]

I think that he could call himself king but no one would follow the orders thus he really isn't king unless he has enough military force to squash anyone who doesn't follow his orders.

[Kappenkriaucheran]

> Lord Eldred wrote:
> It is probably not a coincidence. Especially if he was born
> under Michael Roele reign. It was not uncommon to give
> children the names of the king and queen.

Actually, Michael Mhoried was born more than 500 years after Michael Roele´s death. I think the designers wanted to give DMs a hint, maybe about the (sadly) never-released epic storyline (Shadow Moon, Charge of the Cold Rider), as far as I recall a Rich Baker interview.

The Avanil-invasion thing is quite delicate. It draws lots of attention from the rest of Anuire, not to mention Rhuobhe or the Gorgon. And Darien Avan would still be opposed by the-obstacle-formerly-known-as-the-Chamberlain and his Imperial Guard :) . As for Avanil conquering Seasedge they´d have to keep the support of their expedition army up and running by sea, which is dangerous (the Sea of Storms has its name for a good reason). Taeghas (Boeruine´s vassal) and Boeruine´s southern provinces probably won´t support Avanil´s baggage trains crossing their territories, as they are at war ;) .
My guess is that if the Gorgon starts a new rampage the war between Avanil and Boeruine will be over quickly.

[soudhadies]

Orginally posted by Kappenkriaucheran

My guess is that if the Gorgon starts a new rampage the war between Avanil and Boeruine will be over quickly.

The Gorgon is probably aware of this too. It certainly isn't in his best interest to allow anyone in what he sees as his rightful empire to get the upper hand. Keeping them divided and weak is better for him. If it looks like Avanil will win he will certainly take them down a notch.

[Kappenkriaucheran]

I agree that the Gorgon is aware of this. The question is if he will be able to keep his temper in check. Certainly Azrai´s blood calls for death and destruction...

[zukie]

Tried this once, wont do it again big headace for DM ouch

[ConjurerDragon]

Hello!
In what time are you playing? The Ruins indicate that Taeghas is a
vassal of Avan nowadays, only in Iron Throne (the time of Michael Roele)
was Taeghas a vassal of Boeruine.
bye
Michael
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brnetboard@TUARHIEVEL.ORG wrote:

>Kappenkriaucheran wrote:
> > Lord Eldred wrote:
>
>>It is probably not a coincidence. Especially if he was born
>>under Michael Roele reign. It was not uncommon to give
>>children the names of the king and queen.
>>
>
>Actually, Michael Mhoried was born more than 500 years after Michael Roele´s death. I think the designers wanted to give DMs a hint, maybe about the (sadly) never-released epic storyline (Shadow Moon, Charge of the Cold Rider), as far as I recall a Rich Baker interview.
>
>The Avanil-invasion thing is quite delicate. It draws lots of attention from the rest of Anuire, not to mention Rhuobhe or the Gorgon. And Darien Avan would still be opposed by the-obstacle-formerly-known-as-the-Chamberlain and his Imperial Guard :) . As for Avanil conquering Seasedge they´d have to keep the support of their expedition army up and running by sea, which is dangerous (the Sea of Storms has its name for a good reason). Taeghas (Boeruine´s vassal) and Boeruine´s southern provinces probably won´t support Avanil´s baggage trains crossing their territories, as they are at war ;) .
>My guess is that if the Gorgon starts a new rampage the war between Avanil and Boeruine will be over quickly.
>
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[Lord Eldred]

Orginally posted by Kappenkriaucheran

> Lord Eldred wrote:
> It is probably not a coincidence. Especially if he was born
> under Michael Roele reign. It was not uncommon to give
> children the names of the king and queen.

Actually, Michael Mhoried was born more than 500 years after Michael Roele´s death. I think the designers wanted to give DMs a hint, maybe about the (sadly) never-released epic storyline (Shadow Moon, Charge of the Cold Rider), as far as I recall a Rich Baker interview.



Still probably not a coincidence. Michael Roele was the last great king. Probably a popular name for more than 5 centuries!

[Kappenkriaucheran]

@ ConjurerDragon:
Oops, I messed that up :) . That makes it easier for the baggage trains, of course. Poor Boeruines...