Birthright & Pathfinder

[Twin Agate Dragons]

Hello. New to this community but not to Birthright. It was among my favorite 2E campaign settings. I downloaded the rar file with the 3E conversion but couldn't help noticing of elements of D&D 3.0 in it. I'm an avid fan of Pathfinder and am curious if anyone has started work on a conversion document to use Bithright as a Pathfinder campaign world.

[Vicente]

Pathfinder is pretty similar to DnD 3.0, the conversion should work pretty well for PF...

[AndrewTall]

If using BRCS then you might want to have a think about the domain level skills as Pathfinder changes those around somewhat.

[Sorontar]

Hello. New to this community but not to Birthright. It was among my favorite 2E campaign settings. I downloaded the rar file with the 3E conversion but couldn't help noticing of elements of D&D 3.0 in it.

The original BRCS 3ed was written by this community to work with D&D3.0. When D&D3.5 was released, some efforts were made by the community here to update the BRCS to the new version. This was done for Chapters 1 & 2. but has not been completed for other chapters so they will still be in D&D3.0 form. Therefore, I recommend you check that you have the updated chapters 1 & 2, which can be downloaded separately.

However, some required changes have been noted on the Errata page in the BR wiki (http://www.birthright.net/brwiki/index.php/BRCS:Errata).

Good gaming!

Sorontar

[Thelandrin]

I have already made some Pathfinder changes to my own campaign, mostly removing a couple of skills and reworking the regency skills.

[Twin Agate Dragons]

I have already made some Pathfinder changes to my own campaign, mostly removing a couple of skills and reworking the regency skills.

Would you mind emailing me with wht you have?

Contact Info (http://www.birthright.net/forums/member.php?u=15309)

[Chrispy]

I'm also relatively new, and an avid fan of Pathfinder.

I've actually ahd this idea, and have been doing conversion work in my head when reading the BRCS pdf.

Would it be at all possible to get a community endeavor going? Perhaps we could pool ideas and update the 3.0 stuff to Pathfinder for the site?


Side not: I've noticed that if you were going to play an E6 game using the BRCS and Pathfinder, you don't eliminate a lot of options from BRCS. However, there is the draw back that a lot of the Awnsheghlien become virtually unfightable to PC adventuring groups, with the added flavor bonus of forcing them to use military strategy and alliances.)

[SwordMage]

Yes...please keep me abreast if anyone hears of a Pathfinder version!


Hello. New to this community but not to Birthright. It was among my favorite 2E campaign settings. I downloaded the rar file with the 3E conversion but couldn't help noticing of elements of D&D 3.0 in it. I'm an avid fan of Pathfinder and am curious if anyone has started work on a conversion document to use Bithright as a Pathfinder campaign world.

[AndrewTall]

It is always possible to get a community endeavor going, the issue is keeping it going until it gets somewhere :rolleyes:

I suggest that Thelandrin makes a wiki page for Pathfinder, sketches out his stuff and uses discussion tabs hits to discuss the skills removed, etc, etc - anyone who then wants in can add to the discussion. This has the added advantage of rolling forward the old DT thread everytime someone new comes along so that they don't have to search for the whys and whats.

[WindMage]

I'd certainly be up for discussion on a Pathfinder version of Birthright. I'm fairly busy running my SR game right now, but when that is through I'll running a tabletop Birthright game for my group. I'd been mulling over what system to use and several of my players had put forth Pathfinder as their first choice.

[Thelandrin]

I will get around to that then. I'm just come back from a week's holiday :)

[Mirviriam]

Path Finder paladin's give me a hard on!!

Rawr! Meow!

[Invoker47]

I've been DMing a BR campaign with Pathfinder rules for months now, and haven't really "converted" anything, more I just altered things as I went along. Overall, there isn't too much of a difference, and the two work well together, although we made some changes to the PF rules (the paladin's smite evil became too ridiculous by mid to high level).

[Nameless One]

I've been playing in Pathfinder for a couple of months and I don't think it goes well with Birthright setting the way I see it. I see Birthright as realistic and equally focused on more things beside adventuring and combat. Pathfinder attempts to balance D&D for combat-heavy campaigns and simplify the rules a bit. It also makes the rules more fit for a computer game. It's not bad for its intended purpose but I'd stick with 3.5 edition for Birthirght.

[Aurel]

Can someone send me an opened/editable copy of the BRCS I'd be willing to give it a shot. I'm a big fan of Birthright and played it way back when and created one of the first PBEM on he site.

[Arjan]

Can someone send me an opened/editable copy of the BRCS I'd be willing to give it a shot. I'm a big fan of Birthright and played it way back when and created one of the first PBEM on he site.

they are all in the download section of this site

[Elton Robb]

I started work on the Paizo.com site.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q1i2?Elton-Robbs-Birthright-Conversion-to-PATHFINDER

[Thelandrin]

Well, they're certainly extensive. I'll have to take a look in more detail. :)

[Elton Robb]

You'd be surprised. I can make little differentations on how each of the Churches work. Pathfinder introduced Sub-domains for clerics, and while I was putting in subdomains for each god I realized that each of the Churches were either the direct result of schisms (like Haelyn's Churches or Avani's Churches -- lots of sects) or had different ways of expressing themselves, like Christianity did after 70 A.D.

So I modeled each church into having their own subdomains from each god and goddess.

[Lee]

Elton, that's a cool way of putting it!

[Elton Robb]

Churches of HAELYN

The Othodox Imperial Temple of Haelyn
Suggested skills: Knowledge: Bureaucracy, Knowledge Law
Sub-domains: Archon, Honor, Loyalty, Restoration, Tactics, Wind

The Northern Temple of Haelyn
Suggested Skills: Knowledge: Religion [Haelyn], Perform: Oratory
Sub-Domains: Agathion, Archon, Cloud, Leadership, Restoration

The Western Imperial Temple of Haelyn
Suggested Skills: Perform: Etiquette, Administrate
Sub-domains: Honor, Leadership, Loyalty, Restoration, Wind

Haelyn's Aegis
Suggested Skills: Knowledge: Strategy
Suggested Feat: Leadership
Sub-domains: Archon, Cloud, Heroism, Leadership, Resurrection, Tactics

Haelyn's Warriors
Suggested Skills: Knowledge: Strategy
Suggested Feat: Leadership
Sub-domains: Archon, Cloud, Heroism, Leadership, Resurrection, Tactics

The Dragonsea Temple of Haelyn
Suggested Skills: Ride (Horses), Profession: Sailor
Suggested Feats: Weapon Proficiency - Lance, saber, scimitar, longsword, bastard sword
Sub-domains: Azata, Honor, Loyalty, Martyr, Restoration, Wind

Shield of Halaia

Suggested Skills: Ride (Horses), Profession: Sailor
Suggested Feats: Weapon Proficiency - Lance, saber, scimitar, longsword, bastard sword
Sub-domains: Azata, Honor, Loyalty, Martyr, Restoration, Wind

The Impregnable Heart of Haelyn
Suggested Feats: Endurance, Leadership
sub-domains: Cloud, Heroism, Loyalty, Leadership, Restoration, Tactics

[DM-Isaelie]

Resurrection subdomain seems off for Haelyn in a BR campaign.
Haelyn doesn't even grant Raise Dead in 2e.

[Elton Robb]

Resurrection subdomain seems off for Haelyn in a BR campaign.
Haelyn doesn't even grant Raise Dead in 2e.

Yes, I agree. But what else can I do? The Healing domain has two subdomains: Restoration and Resurrection. The purpose is to really pronounce differences among the churches to make them unique. The best way to do this is by using subdomains.

Restoration
Associated Domain: Healing.

Replacement Power: The following granted power replaces the rebuke death power of the Healing domain.

Restorative Touch (Su): You can touch a creature, letting the healing power of your deity flow through you to relieve the creature of a minor condition. Your touch can remove the dazed, fatigued, shaken, sickened, or staggered condition. You choose which condition is removed. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Wisdom modifier.

Replacement Domain Spells: 2nd—remove disease, 4th—neutralize poison, 5th—break enchantment.


Resurrection
Associated Domain: Healing.

Replacement Power: The following granted power replaces the healer’s blessing power of the Healing domain.

Gift of Life (Su): At 8th level, you can touch a creature that has died within the past minute to grant it a few moments of life. The dead creature returns to life for a number of rounds equal to your cleric level. Creatures returned to life in this way have a number of hit points equal to half your cleric level, and continue to be affected by any still-active spells, conditions, or afflictions present at the time of their death. At the end of this time, the creature dies again. The creature is free to act as it sees fit during this time. You are granted no control over it.

You can use this power once per day at 8th level, plus one additional time per day for every four levels beyond 8th.

Replacement Domain Spells: 5th—raise dead, 7th—resurrection, 9th—true resurrection.

[Thelandrin]

Why create two extra Knowledge skills when you already have Administrate and Knowledge: Nobility (or even Profession: Lawyer)? Skills can be in high demand as it is, without further granulating the skill system.

[AndrewTall]

Resurrection isn't quite the right description of the power - I'd almost call it "second wind" or "hero's chance" - basically you give a dying comrade the chance to go down in a blaze of heroism if they take a bad hit - a very Aegis thing to do!

The domain spells are more of a problem, although rescued somewhat by the fact that they are high level so out of reach in a world where L7-10 is about as high as levels usually go (sidhe and awnies aside).

[DM-Isaelie]

You could just say the spells don't change from base, I suppose, for Resurrection - you just get the ability (it was the spells I was mostly concerned that didn't seem logical).

There is precedent for this, Pharasma grants different spells for the death domain. Depending on your view of Nesirie, I'd adopt the exact same limitation for her and the death domain.

I'd do the same with Ruornil and the Souls Subdomain of Repose, which I think is a very "Ruornil friendly" domain...

[Elton Robb]

Or I can make up a new subdomain.

Had to do it with Ruornil, the Spell domain wasn't cutting it. So I took the Spell domain and converted it into a new subdomain by converting the spell Anyspell into an ability. It's still a bit rough, but it mirrors Rournil's priests magical abilities.

For Avani, I might have to make up a new Reason subdomain, since Memory and Thought are shared by Ruornil.


Resurrection isn't quite the right description of the power - I'd almost call it "second wind" or "hero's chance" - basically you give a dying comrade the chance to go down in a blaze of heroism if they take a bad hit - a very Aegis thing to do!

The domain spells are more of a problem, although rescued somewhat by the fact that they are high level so out of reach in a world where L7-10 is about as high as levels usually go (sidhe and awnies aside).

Well, Hero's Chance sounds like a new subdomain, to me. :)


Why create two extra Knowledge skills when you already have Administrate and Knowledge: Nobility (or even Profession: Lawyer)? Skills can be in high demand as it is, without further granulating the skill system.

Okay, Theladrin, you're point is valid.

[lachapakhan]

i was just looking at pathfinder's mythic adventures and wondering how to adapt it for birthright... it seems almost designed for bloodlines, with just a little tweaking.

did this thread ever result in a real adaptation for pathfinder?

for general pathfinder rules, i was thinking the special birthright skills should be avoided in favor of finding new uses for the existing skill set...

and for the mythic abilities, i was only just getting started, but i need some way to develop separate paths for each bloodline, or otherwise add birthright flavor for each bloodline. maybe, just add extra abilites to each path?

[Sage Conno]

I have already made some Pathfinder changes to my own campaign, mostly removing a couple of skills and reworking the regency skills.

im trying to get birthright converted over for pathfinder
email what u got pls at wowconner79@gmail.com