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Azathoth79
05-05-2009, 01:01 PM
I would like to know if it is available in pdf rules updated
the last pdf is dated 03-05-2006
AndrewTall
05-05-2009, 08:02 PM
Chapter's 1 & 2 were revised and can be downloaded separately, otherwise it is still the old pdf - or can be accessed on the wiki.
princesiegfried
07-30-2009, 02:41 PM
But if we have a new PDF with the rules updated, will be so much better!:D
The wiki is good for building knowledge about the system and the scenario, but when you are "DM" a game, sometimes turns in something clumsy.
It will help, for example, the campaign that i'm playing here at Brazil.
P.S.: Sorry about any mistakes, i'm don't a english course, i used to learn the language in great part with RPG books, especially Birthright...
Thelandrin
07-30-2009, 03:14 PM
I have a compiled PDF of all nine chapters, including the sanctioned ones, but it won't upload as yet. I'll keep trying though!
irdeggman
07-30-2009, 04:20 PM
But if we have a new PDF with the rules updated, will be so much better!:D
The wiki is good for building knowledge about the system and the scenario, but when you are "DM" a game, sometimes turns in something clumsy.
It will help, for example, the campaign that i'm playing here at Brazil.
P.S.: Sorry about any mistakes, i'm don't a english course, i used to learn the language in great part with RPG books, especially Birthright...
Here is the link (from the pinned section at the top of this section) for all of the chapters.
http://www.birthright.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2628 (http://www.birthright.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2628)
There is no compiled pdf with all of the art work.
You can get a word version of each chapter (handy for game specific changes).
Oh and welcome to the boards. . .
Sorontar
07-31-2009, 12:22 AM
A page listing the known "errors" in the D20/3.5 BRCS rules is slowly being compiled on the wiki at http://www.birthright.net/brwiki/index.php/BRCS:Errata . So far most of the errors listed are for spelling and formatting.
Other errors have been described on this forum.
If you find any unlisted errors, please bring them to the attention of the forum so we can add them to the "errata" wiki page.
Sorontar
princesiegfried
07-31-2009, 03:47 AM
People, i need to thank you all, and guarantee that if i or some of my players find some trouble in the rules, i will send feedback about it.
Agelmore
07-31-2009, 10:17 AM
A page listing the known "errors" in the D20/3.5 BRCS rules is slowly being compiled on the wiki at http://www.birthright.net/brwiki/index.php/BRCS:Errata . So far most of the errors listed are for spelling and formatting.
Other errors have been described on this forum.
If you find any unlisted errors, please bring them to the attention of the forum so we can add them to the "errata" wiki page.
Sorontar
I have notice some problems with court and palace : http://dndworlds.net/brwiki/index.php/BRCS:Chapter_five/Ruling_a_domain/Components_of_a_domain#Courts
Table 5-5: Court levels
Level | Description
3-4 | Average Court
4-5 | Good Court
Level 4 is Average or Good ?
Constructions
Palace: A palace is a lavish residence for a regent and his court. For each level a palace has, add 1 to the regent’s effective court level, as long as he spends at least as many GB maintaining his court; i.e. in order to gain the full benefit of a level 4 palace, the regent has to spend at least 4 GB on his court.
Courts
The environs of a court limit its maximum level. A court cannot normally exceed the level of the province in which the regent has his seat of power. A regent may, however, construct a palace near their seat of power. A palace allows a regent to exceed their normal court maximum by +1 per level of the palace. For example, a regent whose seat of power is a holding (4) and a palace (2) in a province (5) is expected to have a court (4) but can have up to a court (7).
Each of those paragraphs offer different bonus for palace.
Do both bonus cumulate ? Is it an error and only one of those bonus are the good one ?
irdeggman
07-31-2009, 11:18 AM
I have notice some problems with court and palace : http://dndworlds.net/brwiki/index.php/BRCS:Chapter_five/Ruling_a_domain/Components_of_a_domain#Courts
Level 4 is Average or Good ?
Each of those paragraphs offer different bonus for palace.
Do both bonus cumulate ? Is it an error and only one of those bonus are the good one ?
They actually say the same thing - you need to look at the beginning of the sentence for you first quote "For each level a place has. . ." So it its +1 per palace level.
Sorontar
07-31-2009, 11:20 AM
I have notice some problems with court and palace : http://dndworlds.net/brwiki/index.ph..._domain#Courts
Great, I'll add that one to the page.
Each of those paragraphs offer different bonus for palace.
Do both bonus cumulate ? Is it an error and only one of those bonus are the good one ?
I suspect they are talking about the same think, so it is only one bonus but is cumulative per level as per the example. Therefore, a province (5) can have a court (5) but with a palace (2) it can have a court (7), provided it spends 7GB upkeep.
Sorontar
Agelmore
07-31-2009, 12:10 PM
I understand something totally different.
construction paragraph:
Effective court level = Court level + palace level
Exemple 1
Consider you have a palace 2 and a court 3.
Since you expand 3 GB in your court and your palace level is 2, you have a court equivalent to level 5.
Consider you have a palace 5 and a court 3.
Exemple 2
Since you expand 3 GB in your court and your palace level is higher than this expense, you gain only 3 level.
Then you have a court equivalent to level 6.
court paragraph
Maximum court level = Province level + palace level
Exemple 3
Your court is located in a province(5)
You have build a palace 2 in the province. Then you are authorized to have a court up to level 7 .
If you also gain bonus from construction chapter, you need a court 5 to have an effective court level of 7
Exemple 4
Your court is located in a province(3)
You have build a palace 5 in the province. Then you are authorized to have a court up to level 8 .
If you also gain bonus from construction chapter, you need a court 4 to have an effective court level of 8
Notice to gain full advantage of your palace you need a court 5, and your effective court level will be 10 but you maximum court level limit you to 8
Sorontar
07-31-2009, 01:03 PM
I get you Agelmore and agree that:
expanded court level = court level + palace bonus
where
palace bonus = palace level if court level >= palace level
palace bonus = court level if palace level > court level
palace bonus = 0 if there is no palace
For both, at least palace bonus GB must be spent on maintaining the court.
Court level cannot be greater than province level. However expanded court level can be greater than province level. The palace does not expand the maximum court level. It just allows a larger expanded court level.
Either way, the two pieces of text work together, though I can see how the second can be read as allowing the base court level to be larger than the province level if you have a palace.
Sorontar
Agelmore
07-31-2009, 02:09 PM
I'm affraid so but I'm not sure to understand.
Let's start with meaning
Maximum court level : This is the upper bound for Court level in a given location
i.e. : In a province without palace, the maximum court level is equal to the province rating.
Effective court level : IMO, this is a virtual level of the court.
You have to use this effective court level when you read the Table 5-5: Court levels.
This is like Effective character level. You will use ECL instead of Character Level when reading experience table.
Expanded court level: A new expression. I am not sure if its represent a new concept or if it is the same as the Maximum court level or the Effective court level.
My reading of the rules can be wrong but it perhaps means there is an ambiguity that have to be rewritten or clarified... or I'm the only one ?
Sorontar
07-31-2009, 02:22 PM
Expanded court level = effective court level
My fault for writing at midnight.
Sorontar
AndrewTall
08-01-2009, 06:32 PM
Court level table - I think that the easiest way to correct the table is to turn '3-4' into '3' - otherwise you probably lose a row completely.
Different descriptions.
You can read the two paragraphs to agree, or to disagree, the impact being, as I see it, whether you pay for the 'extra' court levels as well as the palace maintenance. As I believe that the benefit should already be weighed into the palace maintenance, I would suggest:
* Expected court level = level of highest holding
* Maximum court level = level of province
* Maximum effective court level = level of province + level of castle
* Maintenance cost of the court is equal to the actual court level.
* Maintenance costs for the palace are as described in chapter 5; assets maintenance table 5.4.
* The effective court level is then equal to the actual court level + the level of the palace, however the maximum bonus from any palace is equal to the actual court level.
The pdf should not repeat itself, it should cross-reference. So the construction chapter should say: The maximum level of any palace construction is equal to the province level, a palace has an effect on the effective court level of a domain, as described in chapter 5, 'courts'.
Thelandrin
08-01-2009, 07:27 PM
I long ago went with 1/3/5/7/9/10 court costs, with no in-between figures. That's worked fine for me.
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