Yeninskiy

[kgauck]

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[Rey]

Yeninskiy has 11 provinces. Nine are ruled by three different "regents", two are lawless.

Regents are: one that's still called 'tsarevo' (leader of the people, usually in war circumstances, but it can be a formal title of the ruler of the domain) and he controls the law in only three provinces; next comes a woman whose provinces are actually a "republic" (I think that a title which appears several times in Tribes of heartless wastes, Torsk Belt, can be used as a name of that "republic", since Torsk is her last name), and a third is a guild which has three captains that form the Council which rules in three provinces and acts as a law (they don't each rule a province, but as a guild).

First captain has a first and last name, second only last one (at least I think so, Dimas), but we can give him the rest, and a third is supposed to be a mysterious character that only has a nickname and wears a mask (he's only known as a male fighter (of level 15)). His nickname can be unique, Ferask (the iron hand), but what about the rest?

The guild has an official name, but are referred to as raiders, since they commit to piracy for living.

[kgauck]

Barak Wohlken owns the provinces of Yeninskiy, and that is his realm, so everything on that page related to his realm, its history, its politics, and its income and RP treasury.

Lita Torsk and her Republic is a law domain, she'll get a realm page at whatever the thing gets called Torsk Republic works fine. Presumably both she and the republic are named after the belt.

The Yousera Brotherhood is a domain, so they'll get their own page describing their guild and law holdings. As pirates, it makes sense they have both. Since they have a council of regents, there is way ways to go with this. One is to just describe the governance of the domain in the politics section of the Yousera Brotherhood page, and have links to each on their turn. The other alternative is to have a landing page for the council that is separate (and linkable) that would include the same politics information, and links to the three chiefs. It kind of depend on the content which is clearer. The more references to the group there are, the more a separate page is the better route. If most references are to one or the other chief, then we either link to individual pirate chiefs or the domain.

Neva Wohlken's domain, which I think we're calling Tikhov Suppliers, get its own page.

Sword of Halaïa is a sister sect of Shield of Halaïa, so I think there will be plenty of cross referencing there.

the other two domains are pretty straightforward, although one is a dragon.

So the contents of the section in heartless wastes will be divided unto seven domains.

[Rey]

Separating the Yousera Brotherhood into Yousera Brotherhood guild and the Council of Captains as a law holding sounds clear, I think. Each page can have its specific information.

Torsk Belt Republic is OK?
Tikhov Suppliers sounds fine.

Should Sword of H. and Shield of H. be one the same, with minor differences?

[kgauck]

Seperating the guild and law holdings of Yousera Brotherhood into two different domains doesn't make any sense. It gives every indication of being a single domain, run in the same way by the same people, for the same purposes.

Sword of H. and Shield of H. have two different regents, so even if they are otherwise identical, they have two domains. Since Shield of H is run out of Kourane, I think the distances involved are just too great for one regent to handle the whole thing.

Torsk Belt Republic sounds fine to me.

[kgauck]

Since Merasaf once controlled both modern Merasaf and Yeninskiy, we should have a term for the old state separate from the modern state, such as Old Merasaf, or Greater Merasaf, or something else to describe its former extent, history, and the fateful schism of the realm.

This will not only provide a page for an event large enough to gets its own page anyway, but can be linked to for references of the old state, rather than sending links to modern Merasaf when what we really mean is a previous state of significantly greater extent.

[Rey]

Well, the Youseran's are a guild and a law. They don't rule the same provinces in which they have guilds, and they are trying to spread the guild business elsewhere. Marking the difference could work in the same page.

Sword and Shield could share some of the info. Certainly they are two different temples, ruled by different regents. So, the mutual information could be copy/pasted into both?

Old Merasaf sounds OK. I'll see if there was some specific name already mentioned.

[Rey]

A problem with a Yeninskiy/Merasaf separation:

1. TotHW gives a couple of hints, under Yeninskiy entry, that this separation has been done only recently, 10-20 years max.
2. Timeline of Cerilia says this has occured in a year 1342 HC.

Of course, the other facts explained under Yeninskiy, evolve around the fact nr. 1.

[Rey]

3. And then again, Cities of the Sun mention the facts based on Cerilian timeline, which would mean this has happened 2 centuries ago.

[AndrewTall]

Possibly legal and practical separation? So the title to both realms was claimed by Merasaf until 10-20 years ago, but practically the separation occurred long before? When did the Orogs claim the land in between? That might have catalysed the final split.

Perhaps Yenininsky was ruled by a powerful vassal rather than directly by the Merasaf crown, around 2 centuries ago the vassal became strong enough to give little more than lip service to the Merasaf throne, and after the Orogs rose simply stopped giving even that.

[Rey]

Actually both sources mention the orog invasion, but in different time frame. TotHW gives an info of two direct descendants, who now hold a partial rule in Yeninskiy, of a previous noble that died in a battle against orog invasion.

Although this sounds like a nice idea.

Now, something else struck me as peculiar. One third of a power in Yeninskiy is held by three pirates named Yousera Brotherhood. And Youseran Peninsula is the peninsula located in today's Merasaf. A bit odd, but they could have come from that southern part of Old Merasaf.

[Rey]

I can't find if Merasaf has it's own topic, but it's connected with Yeninskiy, so...

Anyway, just wanted to say that given the size of Yeninskiy today + 4 provinces Raven took + Merasaf today + former old Merasaf's provinces (now Iron Hand Orogs, maybe not all but few at least) = old Merasaf was huge!
We're talking about 24-27 provinces. That's bigger than Tarwan Waste, and this is good land.
Unless they conquered some land since the separation, but I doubt it.

[AndrewTall]

I agree, but it makes more sense if Yenininsky was a vassal realm - so technically part of Merasaf by some definitions, but ruled independently - otherise one ruler could never handle the realm.

I'd consider that maybe Yenininsky was all but uninhabited if the invasion was 2 centuries ago, but if that was the case then the Orogs would have claimed more of the land.

[Rey]

Maybe more inhabited in the west than the east? Or, a disagreement of the ruling factions which caused unpreparedness for an assault?

I'm starting to like this little brainstorming sessions.