Warding?

[ron poirier]

Can someone fly over the mist wall of a Warding spell?

- Ron ^*^
To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
with the line

[Olesens]

At first I would say no, but a wizard who blocked out the sun by putting a
"roof" on his Warding might cause big trouble for the province. And it doesn't
seem correct to think that the Warding walls extend up "forever." I would say
that the Warding wall extends up fairly high, maybe a hundred feet below the
level of most clouds. So most extradordinary flying animals (dragons, etc)
would be able to do it but only with serious encouragement, as it would be
quite a flight up. And it would take a high level wizard to cast the Fly or
Levitate nessesary to go over the wall, at which point it would be simpler just
to use some Divination spells to find your way through the fog. A good
question...

> Can someone fly over the mist wall of a Warding spell?
>
> - Ron ^*^
>
> ************************************************** *************************
> To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
> with the line 'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.
To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
with the line

[Kenneth Gauck]

Fog doesn't block light, it diffuses it, including reflecting some back into
space.

Since the purpose of the warding is to prevent enterance, that is what it
should do.

Kenneth Gauck
c558382@earthlink.net

To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
with the line

[enq@completesystems.com.]

This came up a while ago, I believe the answer is no unless led by the caster
of the warding.
R.
Dubhghaill (Doyle)

>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-birthright@lists.imagiconline.com
>[mailto:owner-birthright@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of ron poirier
>Sent: Thursday, 14 October 1999 8:19
>To: birthright@lists.imagiconline.com
>Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Warding?
>
>
>Can someone fly over the mist wall of a Warding spell?
>
> - Ron ^*^
>
>************************************************** *************************
>To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
>with the line 'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.
>
To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
with the line

[ron poirier]

OK, what about tunneling UNDER? Say through orog tunnels?

At 11:52 AM 10/14/99 +1000, you wrote:
>This came up a while ago, I believe the answer is no unless led by the caster
>of the warding.
>R.
>Dubhghaill (Doyle)
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-birthright@lists.imagiconline.com
>>[mailto:owner-birthright@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of ron poirier
>>Sent: Thursday, 14 October 1999 8:19
>>To: birthright@lists.imagiconline.com
>>Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Warding?
>>
>>
>>Can someone fly over the mist wall of a Warding spell?
>>
>> - Ron ^*^
>>
>>************************************************** *************************
>>To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
>>with the line 'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.
>>
>
>************************************************** *************************
>To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
>with the line 'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.
>
>
To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
with the line

[Daniel McSorley]

From: ron poirier

>OK, what about tunneling UNDER? Say through orog tunnels?
You know, I have never interpreted Ward as physically preventing access.
I portrayed it more as a massive fog bank coupled w/ magical confusion,
preventing anyone from finding their way through; you always seem to end up
wandering in circles and coming out near where you started. The same could
easily apply both above and below ground (especially the confusion and lack
of landmarks), and I have always said that it did.
- --
Daniel McSorley- mcsorley.1@osu.edu
http://hoffmann-institute.org/

To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
with the line

[enq@completesystems.com.]

I'm fairly certain this isn't covered in the wording of the spell (not having
rulebook with me), so it would come down to how the GM wants to treat it.
Personally for my campaign I'd say no, but a tunnel specifically built and
magicked against the warding spell might stay open - a long 5' wide corridor
that is protected from the warding spell by a realm spell that must be cast
before the warding is cast and lasts say 4 turns... there's something for your
court mage to research :~)

R.
Dubhghaill (Doyle)

>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-birthright@lists.imagiconline.com
>[mailto:owner-birthright@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of ron poirier
>Sent: Thursday, 14 October 1999 12:08
>To: birthright@lists.imagiconline.com
>Subject: RE: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Warding?
>
>
>OK, what about tunneling UNDER? Say through orog tunnels?
>
>At 11:52 AM 10/14/99 +1000, you wrote:
>>This came up a while ago, I believe the answer is no unless led by the caster
>>of the warding.
>>R.
>>Dubhghaill (Doyle)
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-birthright@lists.imagiconline.com
>>>[mailto:owner-birthright@lists.imagiconline.com]On Behalf Of ron poirier
>>>Sent: Thursday, 14 October 1999 8:19
>>>To: birthright@lists.imagiconline.com
>>>Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Warding?
>>>
>>>
>>>Can someone fly over the mist wall of a Warding spell?
To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
with the line

[Mark A Vandermeulen]

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Kenneth Gauck wrote:

> Fog doesn't block light, it diffuses it, including reflecting some back into
> space.
>
> Since the purpose of the warding is to prevent enterance, that is what it
> should do.

I completely agree, with the caveat that in my conception all spells have
at least one achilles heel related to the ideosyncracies of the caster,
which can potentially allow disruption or circumvention. In this case,
I've ruled that any wizard who has a ley line into a warded province can
"follow the line" into the province, and not be subject to the "confuse
and repel" effect of the spell.

If you need a physico-thaumic explanation for the ability of a "wall of
fog" not to be overtopped by a flying beast/character, you can always use
the classic "topless-wall" phenomenon. In other word, the wall doesn't
seem very tall, and light can get down into the province. However, a
character flying up finds, through a trick of perception and
mind-fuddling, that no matter how high up she flies, she still can't see
the top. In essence, the wall HAS no top, so can never be PERCEIVED as
"below you," and can therefore never be overtopped.

I would probably allow a "Wizard Eye" spell cast by a wizard of higher
level than the Ward caster to "pierce" the effect (or at least have a
chance to). And I would allow a PC to design a specific spell at a level
or two lower that had only the ward-piercing function.

The question that interests me is: is the wall of a Ward one-way, or
two-ways. That is, does it also forbid people from LEAVING the province,
or just from ENTERING the province? I don't recall the text of the spell
well enough, and don't have the RB handy.

Mark VanderMeulen
vander+@pitt.edu
To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
with the line

[ron poirier]

I believe the wall prevents people within from leaving. This is a pretty
good thing to prevent constant use of this spell. It also allows for
creative usage, such as (for example) a mage using the spell to trap an
enemy army in one province before the army can move on him.

At 01:28 PM 10/14/99 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Kenneth Gauck wrote:
>
>> Fog doesn't block light, it diffuses it, including reflecting some back into
>> space.
>>
>> Since the purpose of the warding is to prevent enterance, that is what it
>> should do.
>
>I completely agree, with the caveat that in my conception all spells have
>at least one achilles heel related to the ideosyncracies of the caster,
>which can potentially allow disruption or circumvention. In this case,
>I've ruled that any wizard who has a ley line into a warded province can
>"follow the line" into the province, and not be subject to the "confuse
>and repel" effect of the spell.
>
>If you need a physico-thaumic explanation for the ability of a "wall of
>fog" not to be overtopped by a flying beast/character, you can always use
>the classic "topless-wall" phenomenon. In other word, the wall doesn't
>seem very tall, and light can get down into the province. However, a
>character flying up finds, through a trick of perception and
>mind-fuddling, that no matter how high up she flies, she still can't see
>the top. In essence, the wall HAS no top, so can never be PERCEIVED as
>"below you," and can therefore never be overtopped.
>
>I would probably allow a "Wizard Eye" spell cast by a wizard of higher
>level than the Ward caster to "pierce" the effect (or at least have a
>chance to). And I would allow a PC to design a specific spell at a level
>or two lower that had only the ward-piercing function.
>
>The question that interests me is: is the wall of a Ward one-way, or
>two-ways. That is, does it also forbid people from LEAVING the province,
>or just from ENTERING the province? I don't recall the text of the spell
>well enough, and don't have the RB handy.
>
>Mark VanderMeulen
>vander+@pitt.edu
>
>************************************************** *************************
>To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
>with the line 'unsubscribe birthright' as the body of the message.
>
>
To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.imagiconline.com
with the line