Shield of Halaia

[Manta]

Maybe she is a Paladin waiting for attonement (PS of Khourane sais nothing
about it but it is a possibility).
Maybe the High Priest position passes from father(mother) to son(daughter)
and she was not gifted enough to be a paladin (and lacked the faith to
become a priestess).
This does not mean the temple will perish - SOH is present in many Khinasi
nations - maybe she has a vassal in each of them (the high priest of that
particular country). While each priest tends for the holdings in his realm
she takes care of other things (SOH expantion, defense from enemy faiths).
The SOH is a big domain (26 temple holdings in total) - maybe this vassal
technique increases their success.

César Manta
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> From: Solmyr of the Azure Star
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> Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Shield of Halaia
> Date: domingo, 14 de fevereiro de 1999 23:25
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> I have always wondered why the regent of the Shield of Halaia temple in
> Khinasi was a fighter, of all things. I mean, she wouldn't get any
regency
> at all, and her temple would be soon contested to nothing. Is there any
> rational explanation for this?
>
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[Solmyr]

I have always wondered why the regent of the Shield of Halaia temple in
Khinasi was a fighter, of all things. I mean, she wouldn't get any regency
at all, and her temple would be soon contested to nothing. Is there any
rational explanation for this?

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aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star
aka Azure Star Dragon
solmyr@kolumbus.fi
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[Pieter Sleijpen]

Solmyr of the Azure Star wrote:
>
> I have always wondered why the regent of the Shield of Halaia temple in
> Khinasi was a fighter, of all things. I mean, she wouldn't get any regency
> at all, and her temple would be soon contested to nothing. Is there any
> rational explanation for this?
>

I was just thinking about it, this was my idea:
She is a temporarily fallen paladin, to regain her status she has to
succesfully lead the temple even without RP and magic for several years.

Pieter Sleijpen

[Kenneth Gauck]

Possibly that it is a temporary situation, representing a domain in
transition of the death opf the proper regent. Perhaps the fighter was the
only blooded lieutenant, and she holds the temple until a blooded priest can
be vetted.

Kenneth Gauck
c558382@earthlink.net

>I have always wondered why the regent of the Shield of Halaia temple in
>Khinasi was a fighter, of all things. I mean, she wouldn't get any regency
>at all, and her temple would be soon contested to nothing. Is there any
>rational explanation for this?
>
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>aka Solmyr, Archmage of the Azure Star
>aka Azure Star Dragon
>solmyr@kolumbus.fi
>http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html
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[Pieter Sleijpen]

Manta wrote:
>
> Maybe she is a Paladin waiting for attonement (PS of Khourane sais nothing
> about it but it is a possibility).
> Maybe the High Priest position passes from father(mother) to son(daughter)
> and she was not gifted enough to be a paladin (and lacked the faith to
> become a priestess).
> This does not mean the temple will perish - SOH is present in many Khinasi
> nations - maybe she has a vassal in each of them (the high priest of that
> particular country). While each priest tends for the holdings in his realm
> she takes care of other things (SOH expantion, defense from enemy faiths).
> The SOH is a big domain (26 temple holdings in total) - maybe this vassal
> technique increases their success.
>

Except that she does not earn any RP, which will make her rather
ineffective as a ruler.

Pieter Sleijpen

[Daniel McSorley]

From: Pieter Sleijpen
>> The SOH is a big domain (26 temple holdings in total) - maybe this vassal
>> technique increases their success.
>Except that she does not earn any RP, which will make her rather
>ineffective as a ruler.
>
That was the point of the "vassal technique" comment. All or most of the
holdings are held in vassalage by local high priests, who pass on GB and RP
to the main temple and its lady.

Daniel McSorley- mcsorley.1@osu.edu
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~mcsorley/

[Pieter Sleijpen]

Daniel McSorley wrote:
>
> From: Pieter Sleijpen
> >> The SOH is a big domain (26 temple holdings in total) - maybe this vassal
> >> technique increases their success.
> >Except that she does not earn any RP, which will make her rather
> >ineffective as a ruler.
> >
> That was the point of the "vassal technique" comment. All or most of the
> holdings are held in vassalage by local high priests, who pass on GB and RP
> to the main temple and its lady.

Mmmm, never thought of that. I still like the idea of the 'fallen
paladin trying to regain her status back' better. Though I probably will
combine it with the vassalage part, just to give her and the temple a
fighting chance.

Pieter

[Pieter Sleijpen]

Peter Wiyda wrote:
>
> She may be a not be a cleric but a fighter with the right faith can run
> a temple, just like a fighter can be a guild master of a thieves guild.
> The person in charge of a holding does not have to be what everyone else
> is that runs that holding, a leader is a leader no matter his or her
> occupation. Just a little tip from BiggSexxxy. Sleep on it. Thank
> you, no applaud please.
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I agree with you to a certain limit. Except that the rules of BR state
that she will not get any RP for pure temple holdings. Hence she will
not be able to do any action, except espionage. This is the reason why
we are looking for an explanation or method to make it possible.

Pieter Sleijpen

[Jim Cooper]

Pieter Sleijpen wrote:
> I agree with you to a certain limit. Except that the rules of BR state
> that she will not get any RP for pure temple holdings. Hence she will
> not be able to do any action, except espionage. This is the reason why
> we are looking for an explanation or method to make it possible.<

Sure she would: adventure actions (which, btw, is how even unblooded
people could be regents). Adventure actions can be used to cover
anything - from agitate to create TRs. With a kind DM, she could do
anything a 'proper' priest can do (except, of course, cast realm
spells).

Cheers,
Darren

[Kenneth Gauck]

IMO, adventure actions are insufficent when faced with a well organized
(lots of RP's) opponant. Using agitate as an example, the fighter-regent of
the SoH could go from town to town, looking like the examplar of knighthood,
giving stirring orations, and meeting important people in the various
communities. However, that would be on the level of an agitate action with
no RP's in support. There is no reason, an opponant could not use RP's
against you, so that before you arrived, or after you left, rumors,
allegations, and hostile orations and sermons would be given reducing the
likelihood that your action would succeed.

Kenneth Gauck
c558382@earthlink.net

[Solmyr]

>I was just thinking about it, this was my idea:
>She is a temporarily fallen paladin, to regain her status she has to
>succesfully lead the temple even without RP and magic for several years.
>
A possibility, but her stats (eg Charisma 13) are not enough for having been
a paladin in the first place...

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[Solmyr]

>Possibly that it is a temporary situation, representing a domain in
>transition of the death opf the proper regent. Perhaps the fighter was the
>only blooded lieutenant, and she holds the temple until a blooded priest
can
>be vetted.
>
Yes, but she is mentioned as having held the temple for 12 years. Couldn't
they find a single blooded priest in all that time???

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aka Azure Star Dragon
solmyr@kolumbus.fi
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/2198/index.html

[Jim Cooper]

Kenneth Gauck wrote:
>
> IMO, adventure actions are insufficent when faced with a well organized (lots of RP's) opponant. Using agitate as an example, the fighter-regent of the SoH could go from town to town, looking like the examplar of knighthood, giving stirring orations, and meeting important people in the various communities.<

IMHO, this is exactly the kind of action that *generates* RPs for a
ruler - by personal action rather than commanding & overseeing things
high up in their 'ivory towers'. Precedent has already been set in the
LotHK supp, whereby several adventures allotted bonus RPs to successful
completion of an adventure as a reward for good role-playing. IMO, this
is exactly what Birthright is about.

>However, that would be on the level of an agitate action with no RP's in support. There is no reason, an opponant could not use RP's against you, so that before you arrived, or after you left, rumors, allegations, and hostile orations and sermons would be given reducing the likelihood that your action would succeed.<

I disagree regarding the first statement, for the very reason explained
above. But, yes, you are correct with the second statement; however, as
the DM, I would always favour the regent who actually personally oversaw
their actions to the regent who just uses his influence through
intermediaries. Because of this, over and above the bonus RPs I would
give the 'hands on' regent, I would modify the success roll further in
favour of the same person (for instance, the adjustments suggested in
the Diplomacy action would be appropriate).

Note that I would consider this a valid way for unblooded rulers to be
regents as well, as I consider that the RPs are not actually being
*collected* and *stored* by the common person, but that the RPs are
immediately being used in the action. Thus I see the only drawback in
the unblooded/blooded regent debate being that the unblooded regent
cannot STORE RPs - they have to continually generate them by the actions
they perform, which are then expended in the current domain action.
(Actually, if I was the designer of BR, regency would be different, but
oh well!). :)

Anyway, thats my view.

Cheers!
Darren

[Kenneth Gauck]

I think this style of rulership is very medieval, and not at all suited for
a Renaissance enviroment. Indeed its almost Arthurian. I think BR is about
the appartus of state, not heroic adventuring. I create a tention in my
campiagn between aquiring the skills to govern and aquiring the skills to
adventure. Its a fantastic realm, and adventuring will always be required,
just as monarchs continued to appear on the battlefield throughout the 18th
century. But the torch has passed in Brectür, Anuire, and Khinasi to the
apparatus of state. Its the more effective way to get things done.

Kenneth Gauck
c558382@earthlink.net

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cooper
Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 3:07 PM
>
>IMHO, this is exactly the kind of action that *generates* RPs for a
>ruler - by personal action rather than commanding & overseeing things
>high up in their 'ivory towers'. Precedent has already been set in the
>LotHK supp, whereby several adventures allotted bonus RPs to successful
>completion of an adventure as a reward for good role-playing. IMO, this
>is exactly what Birthright is about.
>

[Jim Cooper]

Peter Wiyda wrote:
> I was looking in my rule book this morning because something you said
> struck me as odd, and what I found stated that while a regent of a
> temple has to be a cleric or paladin to collect RP, he or she can be of any other class and still attempt any domain turn, with out the help of RPs, they can do it all from fortify to collect offerings.<

Where did you find this? What page and rulebook?

Cheers,
Darren