Products.

[Austin A Jenkins]

Does anyone know what became of the Birthright products that were
scheduled for release but diddn't make it because the line was
canceled? Does TSR have any plans to release these products on line?

Thanks,

Austin

[Ben]

Does anyone know what became of the Birthright products that were
scheduled for release but diddn't make it because the line was
canceled? Does TSR have any plans to release these products on line?

Thanks,

Austin



They were postponed, too. ---Except for one novel, which was converted into
a (gasp!) FR novel, hack, hack, choke...

[Austin A Jenkins]

They were postponed, too. ---Except for one novel, which was converted into
a (gasp!) FR novel, hack, hack, choke...

Ahck! No! Which Realms novel was this and is it worth picking up?

Thanks,

Austin

[Skawpya]

At 04:04 PM 1/28/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>They were postponed, too. ---Except for one novel, which was converted into
>a (gasp!) FR novel, hack, hack, choke...
>
>Ahck! No! Which Realms novel was this and is it worth picking up?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Austin

The book is the Shadow Stone. If you're willing to mentally correct the
setting to what it was meant to be, somewhat. If not, you'll find they
author or editor or whoever adapted the book, tried and almost succeeded in
making the book fit the Realms. Will be interesting if the events in that
book are worked into the next set of BR products, assuming such actually
get put out.

[Jim Cooper]

marc remaley wrote:
> Will be interesting if the events in that book are worked into the next set of BR products, assuming such actually get put out.<

What actually happened in The Shadow Stone? What was the plotline?

Cheers,
Darren

[the Falcon]

> Does anyone know what became of the Birthright products that were
> scheduled for release but diddn't make it because the line was
> canceled? Does TSR have any plans to release these products on line?

No, they're looking for a cost-effective way to release them. In the
meanwhile, all of the products are postponed until further notice - ie
indefinitely.

- the Falcon

[darkstar]

Ben wrote:

> They were postponed, too. ---Except for one novel, which was converted into
> a (gasp!) FR novel, hack, hack, choke...
>
It is still definelty worth reading The Shadow Stone though. It may be
set in the FR, but there is a lot of Birthright still in it. When I read
it all I had to do was imagine changing a few names and it still felt
like it was in Cerilia.

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[darkstar]

Jim Cooper wrote:
>
> marc remaley wrote:
> > Will be interesting if the events in that book are worked into the next set of BR products, assuming such actually get put out.<
>
> What actually happened in The Shadow Stone? What was the plotline?
>
Umm, well lets see if I can remember.

Very basically.

There is this Half-Elf named Aeron who is attacked by these noble bully
who want to cut of his ears. He stabs a couple of them and is forced to
flee into the forest where he meets this elf. The elf realises that
Aeron is blooded (although of course it doesn't say this in the book,
but I can read between the lines) and trys to teach him magic.
Umm.. there is a lot more in between here, but basically he ends up at
the college of magic in Anuire (changed to Cimbar) where he has to
survive the plots of the students, and the evil plans of one of the lost
(changed to some silly FR thing).
There is action in the shadow world, and some neat bits of the college
of magic and Elven magic. I recommend it...

- --
Ian Hoskins

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[Jeff Dunnett]

In other words they mean there looking for a way to make more money
off of them.

jeff




- ---the Falcon wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know what became of the Birthright products that were
> > scheduled for release but diddn't make it because the line was
> > canceled? Does TSR have any plans to release these products on
line?
>
> No, they're looking for a cost-effective way to release them. In the
> meanwhile, all of the products are postponed until further notice - ie
> indefinitely.
>
> - the Falcon
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[Daniel McSorley]

From: Jeff Dunnett
>In other words they mean there looking for a way to make more money
>off of them.
>
>> No, they're looking for a cost-effective way to release them. In the
>> meanwhile, all of the products are postponed until further notice - ie
>> indefinitely.
Actually, they're probably looking for a way to make _any_ money off
them, since they lost money on several of the BR products. You make it
sound like a bad thing.

Daniel McSorley- mcsorley.1@osu.edu
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~mcsorley/

[David Sean Brown]

Wonder if its possible to release the products on an "by order"
basis..meaning they advertise the products they would be willing to sell,
have people/stores order the products, and those that get enopugh orders
to be seen as profitable are produced...heh..business management isn't any
strong point of mine, so there are doubtless numerous problems with this
that I just don't know about...*shrug*

Sena


On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Daniel McSorley wrote:

> From: Jeff Dunnett
> >In other words they mean there looking for a way to make more money
> >off of them.
> >
> >> No, they're looking for a cost-effective way to release them. In the
> >> meanwhile, all of the products are postponed until further notice - ie
> >> indefinitely.
> Actually, they're probably looking for a way to make _any_ money off
> them, since they lost money on several of the BR products. You make it
> sound like a bad thing.
>
> Daniel McSorley- mcsorley.1@osu.edu
> http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~mcsorley/
>
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- -----Original Message-----
From: David Sean Brown
To: birthright@MPGN.COM
Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Products.


>Wonder if its possible to release the products on an "by order"
>basis..meaning they advertise the products they would be willing to sell,
>have people/stores order the products, and those that get enopugh orders
>to be seen as profitable are produced...heh..business management isn't any
>strong point of mine, so there are doubtless numerous problems with this
>that I just don't know about...*shrug*
>
>Sena

[the Falcon]

> Actually, they're probably looking for a way to make _any_ money off
> them, since they lost money on several of the BR products. You make it
> sound like a bad thing.

Well, it wasn't my intention to make it sound like a bad thing - or as a
good thing, for that matter. I was just relayin what I had read on the
TSR web site.

[Jeff Dunnett]

From what I heard TSR did make money off Birthright they just didn't
make enough money. I talked to Skip Williams, and he mentioned that
while they lost money on a few products, they made money overall. I
think the worst problem TSR had was with promoting it. They tend to
focus mainly on worlds like FR, Dragonlance ETC. On worlds they know
will sell, instead of trying to sell the other worlds they have.





- ---Daniel McSorley wrote:
>
> From: Jeff Dunnett
> >In other words they mean there looking for a way to make more money
> >off of them.
> >
> >> No, they're looking for a cost-effective way to release them. In
the
> >> meanwhile, all of the products are postponed until further notice
- - ie
> >> indefinitely.
> Actually, they're probably looking for a way to make _any_ money
off
> them, since they lost money on several of the BR products. You make
it
> sound like a bad thing.
>
> Daniel McSorley- mcsorley.1@osu.edu
> http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~mcsorley/
>
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[Tim]

Jeff Dunnett wrote:
>
> From what I heard TSR did make money off Birthright they just didn't
> make enough money. I talked to Skip Williams, and he mentioned that
> while they lost money on a few products, they made money overall. I
> think the worst problem TSR had was with promoting it. They tend to
> focus mainly on worlds like FR, Dragonlance ETC. On worlds they know
> will sell, instead of trying to sell the other worlds they have.

Thought I'd pop in on this. I don't think the only problem lay in
promoting Birthright. They also have a problem of focus. All the other
canceled settings seem to lose what it was they initially appealed to
player with. The idea of standard fantasy is easy enough to understand
but Birthright (and others) that don't fit that idea always seem to
waver. I think they ended Birthright before focus was completely lost.
That's where I see TSR's biggest problem, not that their settings don't
have appeal only they don't know how to cultivate that appeal. They
remain with worlds that sell because those are worlds they find easiest
to understand themselves. Sort of like they paint themselves into a
corner and don't know what to do with them.

- --
Timothy R. Haney
galwylin@airnet.net

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