The Chamberlain of the CoA

[Whalejudge@aol.co]

I'd say he is Lord of the City, with the capacity to make laws and decrees in
the Emperor's name and command the city's military in the Emperor's name. By
my previous post on the subject, I meant to indicate he has all the powers and
duties necessary to carry out his official functions. Naturally, a new
occupant of the Iron Throne can sweep all laws and decrees away and take over
command of the military.
I don't know about the ancient position. The Imperial Chamberlain may always
have been the official commander of the Imperial Guard and lord mayor of the
city. Or maybe not.

[Morg]

Jim Cooper wrote:

> Arrgh. This is like pulling out wisdom teeth! Please define what this
> means! Does he have the ability to make laws? No? Is he actually in
> charge of the Imperial Legion? What?

Ahhh... my mentor struggles against his teeth.... ;)

I think the chamberlain is like the 'House Speaker' in Canada's House of Parliament. He sits
on a big gold chair at the end of a hall/assembly of senators/mayors/over paid politicians, and
basically directs the floor. I see the government of the IC as a very bureaucratic entity.
Lot's of ministers and folks screaming and yelling, pressing points that have nothing to do
with the actual issue, and basically spending more time trying to undermine the opposition than
actually trying to come up with a solution to the problems at hand.

The Chamberlain has political power, but only in the sense that he can 'preside' over these
meetings. He acknowledges the speakers of each 'party', directs questions and answers, tables
agendas, calls for motions etc. He doesn't actually get a vote though I think.

But his bald head really suits his fancy robes, gavel, and curly wig. ;)

At least, that's the way I see it.

Keith

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[Trizt]

Jim Cooper (Jim_Cooper@bc.sympatico.ca) wrote:

- -> Trizt wrote:
- ->> At the moment he has to keep the city ready and in good condition to
recive the ne emperor, and the day when there ->>comes a new emperor, he
will have to wish that the new emperor will keep him.
- -> Heh. True, especially the last part. And sooo ...

- -> Does this mean he is the ruler of the city - or is he just an advisor to
- -> a mayor, (or a bunch of mayors/burghers), a non-voting member of a
- -> senate, or what?
I wouldn't call him the ruler, he only is the temporary voice of the emperor
(rather the last one), the ruler prolly be a council of senior nobles from
the local area. Both the chamberlain and the senior nobles has nothing to
say whom will become the next emperor (they may use dirty tricks as
assasinations and ill rumors).

I would think that a council of burghers with a mayor would have removed the
chamberlain to increase their own "value" as rulers of the city. A burgher
council would oppose every emperor, as soon he takes controll of the town
they will loose their power or heads.


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[Scott Koester]

>-> Does this mean he is the ruler of the city - or is he just an advisor to
>-> a mayor, (or a bunch of mayors/burghers), a non-voting member of a
>-> senate, or what?
>I wouldn't call him the ruler, he only is the temporary voice of the emperor
>(rather the last one), the ruler prolly be a council of senior nobles from
>the local area. Both the chamberlain and the senior nobles has nothing to
>say whom will become the next emperor (they may use dirty tricks as
>assasinations and ill rumors).
>
>I would think that a council of burghers with a mayor would have removed the
>chamberlain to increase their own "value" as rulers of the city. A burgher
>council would oppose every emperor, as soon he takes controll of the town
>they will loose their power or heads.
>

I don't think this has happened because he DOES have veto power of the
senior nobles. Nothing happens in the city that he doesn't allow to
happen. I don't necessarily imagine him in charge of the military either.
I think the way it works, is that by no means can he control the city
alone. So, there will be those senior nobles who are in his 'favor' or
trying to get into such a coveted position. I'd say the Captain of the
Impeial Legion, or whatever his official title is, is in allegiance to the
Chaberlain. So not in direct control, but indirectly, yes, the Chaberlain
would have control over the military. There will then natrurally be the
'opposition' who would want to see the rise of the burghers and the city
council. Old school vs. New school. :)


Scott
muaddib+@osu.edu

[DKEvermore@aol.co]

In a message dated 10-21-1998 10:49:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
Jim_Cooper@bc.sympatico.ca writes:

> Arrgh. This is like pulling out wisdom teeth! Please define what this
> means! Does he have the ability to make laws? No? Is he actually in
> charge of the Imperial Legion? What?
>
When it comes right down to it, the Chamberlain is a Regent. He runs a level
10 provinces and has considerable income at his disposal (assuming he taxes
trade routes, temples & guilds). As a regent he commands the military of his
realm (the Imperial Guard). His office is _also_ ceremonial in that he is
respected as protector of the Iron Throne. This means that no one becomes
emperor without his blessing. So many regents of Anuire respect him that none
of them would try to usurp his authority in matters of Empire (or its possible
re-emergence).

That pretty much spells it out. Good enough?
- -Dustin Evermore

[Gary V. Foss]

Scott Koester wrote:

> I don't think this has happened because he DOES have veto power of the
> senior nobles. Nothing happens in the city that he doesn't allow to
> happen. I don't necessarily imagine him in charge of the military either.
> I think the way it works, is that by no means can he control the city
> alone. So, there will be those senior nobles who are in his 'favor' or
> trying to get into such a coveted position. I'd say the Captain of the
> Impeial Legion, or whatever his official title is, is in allegiance to the
> Chaberlain. So not in direct control, but indirectly, yes, the Chaberlain
> would have control over the military. There will then natrurally be the
> 'opposition' who would want to see the rise of the burghers and the city
> council. Old school vs. New school. :)

Isn't the Chamberlain the regent of the Imperial City? Doesn't he collect regency
from it? He should be able to collect 20RP a domain turn as a fighter with full
control of the law holdings of the city.

If he is the regent of the IC, then he could potentially have the same kind of
control over the city that every other regent has over his/her own provinces. I
had always assumed that was the case with the Chamberlain. His control over the
city was based upon the assumption that he is holding it for the rightful emperor,
however. The legitimacy of that assumption is what gives him the moral authority
to stand in judgment over the pretenders to the throne.

Gary

[dominicreynolds@dial.pip]

>
>Isn't the Chamberlain the regent of the Imperial City? Doesn't he collect
regency
>from it? He should be able to collect 20RP a domain turn as a fighter
with full
>control of the law holdings of the city.


Does he not have only 14 or so RP as other regents have law holdings as well.



Dom
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[Gary V. Foss]

dominicreynolds@dial.pipex.com wrote:

> Does he not have only 14 or so RP as other regents have law holdings as well.

I'm sure your right. I don't have the books handy (and I didn't much feel like
looking them up anyway) so I'm probably off on this.

Gary