Who Can Create/Expand Holdings

[Gary V. Foss]

Craig Greeson wrote:

> Aha, there's our difference of opinion. I've always interpreted Source
> holdings as being the only ones that a regent can't create and grow outside
> their normal "sphere of influence". Sources are specialized enough that
> they get special treatment among the 4 holding types IMC. IMO, thieves
> should be able to create Law or (rarely) Temple holdings, wizards should be
> able to create Law, Guild, or (again, rarely) Temple holdings, etc... How
> do other people interpret this in their campaigns? Are landed wizard
> regents powerless to expand their Law holdings?

I've always ruled any regent/scion can create any type of holding.... Of course,
some of them might find themselves better able create or hold onto one type of
holding or another, and some holdings might be close to useless to other types of
regents, but I can't come up with a reason why they should be allowed to create
them.

Gary

[einarh@fagerborg.vgs.n]

>I'd say anyone can hold any type of holding. Nobody but a wizard gets any
>BENEFIT out of holding a source, but it does prevent a hostile mage from
>controlling it. Take, for example, the Gorgon. Big, nasty, powerful--but
>where does it mention magic in his description? The most feared Awnsheghlien
>in all Cerilia can't cast a single spell. But he controls the sources of his
>domain.

Hey, maybe he has a wizzy lieutenant.
And some of the problem may lie in the fact that he is written as a F/W in
the Boxed-Set while "Blood enemies: abominations of cerilia" wrote him as a
pure fighter.

Anyway, Awnsheghs and Ersheghs should be exceptions =)

Siebharrin the Lich

[DKEvermore@aol.co]

In a message dated 10-06-1998 9:46:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
Whalejudge@aol.com writes:

> I'd say anyone can hold any type of holding. Nobody but a wizard gets any
> BENEFIT out of holding a source, but it does prevent a hostile mage from
> controlling it. Take, for example, the Gorgon. Big, nasty, powerful--but
> where does it mention magic in his description? The most feared
> Awnsheghlien
> in all Cerilia can't cast a single spell. But he controls the sources of
> his
> domain.
Blood Enemies has some on-purpose inaccuracies. I believe the Gorgon to be
something like a 16th level Wizard. Check your Gorgon Card from the original
set.

Bad example, but I believe your theory is correct.

- -DKE

[Daniel McSorley]

From: J. D. Lail
>Make no mistake I don't think it is a good idea to begin with. Added
>to the clear evidence that no 0 level source holding can be created
>that's 2 of the 4 regency types that are or should be exclusive.
>
No 0 level source holdings can be created? Huh? How does a wizard get
new sources, then? Something's not right, or I didn't get the background on
this remark.

Daniel McSorley- mcsorley.1@osu.edu

[Spyderz]

>I have a lot of problems with a regent who can not get RP's from
>a Temple actually creating a Temple holding. At best if I am a God
>and an idiot tries to make a Temple in my name I am going to be
>upset, not to mention the attitude the legitimate temples will take.


If everything was done properly by your religious standards...wouldn't you
be happy that your faith was being spread?...(as in maybe the regent has
Religion)...since by most reckonings...Gods gain their powers by being
worshipped...and what if the regent is just creating it...but actually has
someone (like a Lieutenant)...run the place?...the person running it could
be a priest of that god...so now what?

CIAO

[Gary V. Foss]

J. D. Lail wrote:

> I have a lot of problems with a regent who can not get RP's from
> a Temple actually creating a Temple holding. At best if I am a God
> and an idiot tries to make a Temple in my name I am going to be
> upset, not to mention the attitude the legitimate temples will take.

I'm against the idea of keeping temples out of the hands of fighters (or
wizards or thieves, for that matter....) To use an example from the real
world: Henry VIII decided he wanted his own church so he could play old wife,
new wife and, thus, a whole new church dedicated to the same God/avatar came
about. I don't know by what stretch of the imagination one could imagine Hank8
as the RL equivalent of a priest... so I'm going to have to go with him as a
fighter type.

Now, one possible solution to this whole "who creates what" thing is in RPs.
RPs are only generated by a holdings held under the proper regent type, right?
Well, what if only regents of the proper character class could spend RPs on
their holdings beyond that required of a Rule action? That is, what if only
fighters could spend RPs to improve Law holdings, or priests temple holdings,
etc. While this might not be a huge influence, it would tend to keep character
classes creating the properly associated holdings.

It would also give an advantage to the fighter character class in ruling a
domain, as almost all province rulers control law holdings. If only fighters
could add RPs to their Rule actions to raise Law holdings it would tend to make
them more valuable as regents, wouldn't it? They would be able to control
their realms faster and more effectively and would, therefore, be more likely
to become domain rulers.

Gary

[Jim Cooper]

Gary V. Foss wrote:
>> If only fighters could add RPs to their Rule actions to raise Law holdings it would tend to make them more valuable as regents, wouldn't it? They would be able to control their realms faster and more effectively and would, therefore, be more likely to become domain rulers.