Lieutenants

[carla@maxisp.com.a]

Is there a maintanace cost for lieutenants and if so how much?

[The Olesens]

carla@maxisp.com.au wrote:
>
> Is there a maintanace cost for lieutenants and if so how much?


No, they are paid for through normal domain maintenece. There is no
extra cost.

IMHO-someone with a lot of LTs should have to pay a little more

[Mark A Vandermeulen]

On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, The Olesens wrote:

> carla@maxisp.com.au wrote:
> >
> > Is there a maintanace cost for lieutenants and if so how much?
>
>
> No, they are paid for through normal domain maintenece. There is no
> extra cost.
>
> IMHO-someone with a lot of LTs should have to pay a little more

I don't know if this is an "official" rule or not, but I've always played
that a regent can have no more lieutennants than he have have "henchmen"
due to his CHA score.

Mark VanderMeulen
vander+@pitt.edu

[Gary V. Foss]

Mark A Vandermeulen wrote:

> I don't know if this is an "official" rule or not, but I've always played
> that a regent can have no more lieutennants than he have have "henchmen"
> due to his CHA score.
>
> Mark VanderMeulen

There's stuff in the Rulebook on this. A regent gets a bonus to the number of
henchmen he can have based upon his bloodline strength. Check under the
Lieutenant action.

- -Gary

[The Olesens]

Gary V. Foss wrote:
>
> Mark A Vandermeulen wrote:
>
> > I don't know if this is an "official" rule or not, but I've always played
> > that a regent can have no more lieutennants than he have have "henchmen"
> > due to his CHA score.
> >
> > Mark VanderMeulen
>
> There's stuff in the Rulebook on this. A regent gets a bonus to the number of
> henchmen he can have based upon his bloodline strength. Check under the
> Lieutenant action.
>
> -Gary

I think the question was "do you have to pay".

[Tim Nutting]

> I think the question was "do you have to pay".

and?

[The Olesens]

Tim Nutting wrote:
>
> > I think the question was "do you have to pay".
>
> and?

"if so how much"

[Mark A Vandermeulen]

On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, The Olesens wrote:

> Tim Nutting wrote:
> >
> > > I think the question was "do you have to pay".
> >
> > and?
>
> "if so how much"

No, you don't have to pay for them as a part of normal domain maintenance.
However, you DO have to entice them to work for you, rather than for your
rivals, and so as part of a role-played agreement with the DM whereby the
two of you negotiate a deal, that might involve some payment on a monthly
or yearly basis. For example, to gain a renouned Magician as a
lieutennant, a regent might have to agree to pay him 1 GB a year (those
divination material components can get pretty costly).

Mark VanderMeulen
vander+@pitt.edu

[Benji Craddock]

Now int the computer game BIRTHRIGHT, They say you only pay GB=level of
lieutenant... That is the rule I use in my campaign... and I also understand
you wont let them starve while serving you so you wouldnt have to continually
pay upkeep on them

Mark A Vandermeulen wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, The Olesens wrote:
>
> > Tim Nutting wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think the question was "do you have to pay".
> > >
> > > and?
> >
> > "if so how much"
>
> No, you don't have to pay for them as a part of normal domain maintenance.
> However, you DO have to entice them to work for you, rather than for your
> rivals, and so as part of a role-played agreement with the DM whereby the
> two of you negotiate a deal, that might involve some payment on a monthly
> or yearly basis. For example, to gain a renouned Magician as a
> lieutennant, a regent might have to agree to pay him 1 GB a year (those
> divination material components can get pretty costly).
>
> Mark VanderMeulen
> vander+@pitt.edu
>
> ************************************************** *************************
> >

[DKEvermore@aol.co]

In a message dated 98-06-18 11:11:53 EDT, you write:

> I don't know if this is an "official" rule or not, but I've always played
> that a regent can have no more lieutennants than he have have "henchmen"
> due to his CHA score.
>
Yup this is "official". You get the number listed under the # henchmen for
CHA plus one more for minor bloodstrength, plus one more for major, plus one
more for great. If memory serves.

- -DKE

[kirbyvalor@juno.com (Bre]

>>>I think the question was "do you have to pay".

>>and?

>"if so how much"

As a player, I can't give any exact answer, but in the CD ROM game,
at least, you pay one gold bar per level and you have their 100% complete
loyalty. You might try that in the game, after all, if you pay a 5th
level mage 5 gold bars (10,000 gold coins, right?) I think he would be oh
so happy to be your loyal lieutenant. Just a thought.

Take care,
Kirby

Valor above all
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[prtr02@scorpion.nspco.co]

> >>>I think the question was "do you have to pay".
>
> >>and?
>
> >"if so how much"
>
> As a player, I can't give any exact answer, but in the CD ROM game,
> at least, you pay one gold bar per level and you have their 100% complete
> loyalty. You might try that in the game, after all, if you pay a 5th
> level mage 5 gold bars (10,000 gold coins, right?) I think he would be oh
> so happy to be your loyal lieutenant. Just a thought.
>
For all but a True mage I would agree. True Mages are so rare as to demand
their price. For a level 2 or 3 true mage to come and be your pet landed
wizard I can see it- but for a higher level (5+) wielder of land magic they
might become an ally but not a lt.

We used the 1 GB/level rule in a campaign (not mine) until someone hired a
level 6 mage for 6 GB and threw the whole campaign out of whack. Remember there's only about 140 of these folks around (of whom about 50 are elves) so the pool
of talent is pretty small. Most of these are already accounted for in published material- leading to another Randaxian rule- only one PC true mage allowed at
any one time. The player who wants to play a true mage must develop a
background story and explain why s/he's on the open market. I've run whole
stretches of my BR campaign without a MU in the party. No problem.

Randax

[Pieter A de Jong]

At 04:46 PM 6/19/98 -0500, Randax wrote:
>
>> >>>I think the question was "do you have to pay".
>>
>> >>and?
>>
>> >"if so how much"
>>
>> As a player, I can't give any exact answer, but in the CD ROM game,
>> at least, you pay one gold bar per level and you have their 100% complete
>> loyalty. You might try that in the game, after all, if you pay a 5th
>> level mage 5 gold bars (10,000 gold coins, right?) I think he would be oh
>> so happy to be your loyal lieutenant. Just a thought.
>>
>For all but a True mage I would agree. True Mages are so rare as to demand
>their price. For a level 2 or 3 true mage to come and be your pet landed
>wizard I can see it- but for a higher level (5+) wielder of land magic they
>might become an ally but not a lt.
>
>We used the 1 GB/level rule in a campaign (not mine) until someone hired a
>level 6 mage for 6 GB and threw the whole campaign out of whack. Remember
there's only about 140 of these folks around (of whom about 50 are elves) so
the pool
>of talent is pretty small. Most of these are already accounted for in
published material- leading to another Randaxian rule- only one PC true mage
allowed at
>any one time. The player who wants to play a true mage must develop a
>background story and explain why s/he's on the open market. I've run whole
>stretches of my BR campaign without a MU in the party. No problem.
>
Normally, I would not get involved in this thread. As far as I personally
am concerned, a lt.'s maintenance is part of the normal maintenance you pay
on your holdings. Eg. The lt. is your castle seneschal/guild
secretary/clerical assistant, whom you support by providing a castle/guild
hall/temple to live in and a place at the table when you eat, etc. I do not
normally allow true mage lt's as they are far to uncommon for non-elven
rulers. Magicians are a special case that have not come up yet in my
campaign.
However, Randax, I have questions regarding your statement regarding true
mages. You suggest that there are " about 140 of these folks around (of
whom about 50 are elves)". I must ask are you referring to blooded mages
when you say true mages or are there more human wizards than elven wizards
in your campaign. In my campaign the number of human blooded wizards is
approximately the same the number of blooded elven wizards, simply because
magical training is more available in the elven kingdoms.

Pieter A de Jong
Graduate Mechanical Engineering Student
University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada