Class Adpetness

[Bearcat]

>Who would not be able to "Rule" or "Create Province"?
>(Other than a fighter making a temple, etc,)

I believe that the ranger lieutenents should be the only allowed to
have the "know how" to create provinces. Otherwise I beleive experts follow
like this:
Guilds:theif,bard
Law:Fighter,ranger,paladin
Source:Mage
Temple:Preist,Paladin

>Is "Diplomacy" a thief thing? or would a wizard, priest, or warrior do?

Diplomacy is a "liuetenent with the diplomacy proficiency" thing.

>Nuclear winter would occur if twenty 500 mega-ton bombs were dropped
>evenly around Arybinis?

An interesting attempt at humor. The answer this question would obviously
stem from the size of the planet itself. As can be seen by the recent
contoversy on the subject, this cannot be established. What does this mean?
You decide.

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[The Olesen`s]

In the Rulebook it syas that lieutenant actions CoS (chance of succes)
is halved if the charachter class has not exprience in that field,
example: fighter making a trade route.

Who would not be able to "Rule" or "Create Province"?
(Other than a fighter making a temple, etc,)

Is "Diplomacy" a thief thing? or would a wizard, priest, or warrior do?

"Lieteneant" CoS would be halved if looking for a diffrent class that
old lieutenant?

Nuclear winter would occur if twenty 500 mega-ton bombs were dropped
evenly around Arybinis?

[DKEvermore]

In a message dated 98-05-21 15:57:25 EDT, you write:

> Nuclear winter would occur if twenty 500 mega-ton bombs were dropped
> evenly around Arybinis?

Nope, because clearly, from the maps Abrynis is flat and the wind would simply
blow such nastiness off the edge of the world. ;)

Seriously, why assume Abrynis is a sphere? It is a fantasy world and anything
is possible...

Personally, I think I'm favoring something that would be circular with a
severely sqaushed ellipse cross-section. The sun and moon would have an
elliptical orbit around it while the star-scape "wobbles" seasonally.

Thus one could have some really interesting adventures to the "center" of the
world (which would be a disc if you follow).

What do you all think? Are we confined to the spherical world view or are
there some other takes on this?

- -DKE

[bloebick@juno.com (Benja]

On Thu, 21 May 1998 15:46:38 -0400 "The Olesen's"
writes:
>In the Rulebook it syas that lieutenant actions CoS (chance of succes)
>
>is halved if the charachter class has not exprience in that field,
>example: fighter making a trade route.
>
>Who would not be able to "Rule" or "Create Province"?
>(Other than a fighter making a temple, etc,)

I say only warriors (not rangers or paladins, either) wouldn't suffer ill
effects from trying to create a province. However, any fighter class
would be able to Rule without difficulty.

>
>Is "Diplomacy" a thief thing? or would a wizard, priest, or warrior
>do?

I say diplomacy can be done by anyone with the diplomacy skill without
problem, regardless of class. If they don't have it, though, then they
suffer. I believe priests get diplomacy the cheapest, so they are most
likely to have it, though I wouldn't put it past thieves, either.

>
>"Lieteneant" CoS would be halved if looking for a diffrent class that
>old lieutenant?

Eh? An Lt. looking for another Lt. for the regent? As per Birthright:
The Gorgon's Alliance, I wouldn't allow this. If the Lt. wants a
personal Lt, then no problem. However, if the regent says "Lt, find me
another Lt, then I'd say the penalty applies all the time, regardless of
class found, if you permit this.

>
>Nuclear winter would occur if twenty 500 mega-ton bombs were dropped
>evenly around Arybinis?

Yeah, probably. It doesn't take much added albedo and dust to cause a
nuclear winter. I could probably find out at work (I work for the
nuclear industry), but why worry?

Benjamin

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[bloebick@juno.com (Benja]

On Thu, 21 May 1998 17:45:17 EDT DKEvermore writes:
>In a message dated 98-05-21 15:57:25 EDT, you write:
>
>> Nuclear winter would occur if twenty 500 mega-ton bombs were dropped
>
>> evenly around Arybinis?
>
>Nope, because clearly, from the maps Abrynis is flat and the wind
>would simply
>blow such nastiness off the edge of the world. ;)
>
>Seriously, why assume Abrynis is a sphere? It is a fantasy world and
>anything
>is possible...
>
>Personally, I think I'm favoring something that would be circular with
>a
>severely sqaushed ellipse cross-section. The sun and moon would have
>an
>elliptical orbit around it while the star-scape "wobbles" seasonally.

Well, this is great, except for the little fact that the Rulebook talks
about constellations, particularly Haelyn's Crown. If the starscape
wobbles a bit, then chances are the crown wouldn't vanish beneath the
horizon for only 1 night a year. Sometimes it would be gone for a long
time, and some years never, if the planet wobbled perceptibly.

>
>Thus one could have some really interesting adventures to the "center"
>of the
>world (which would be a disc if you follow).

Interesting idea, though. Maybe a hollow world, or an ovoid world? It
doesn't have to be a perfect sphere (or even close).

>-DKE
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[Ryan B. Caveney]

On Thu, 21 May 1998, DKEvermore wrote:

> In a message dated 98-05-21 15:57:25 EDT, you write:
>
> > Nuclear winter would occur if twenty 500 mega-ton bombs were dropped
> > evenly around Arybinis?
>
> Nope, because clearly, from the maps Abrynis is flat and the wind would
> simply blow such nastiness off the edge of the world. ;)

Actually, an *infinite* flat sheet has some rather nice
properties, gravitationally, but then you have a little problem with the
sun (e.g., it has to turn on and off, rather than rise and set... I'm
actually playing in a non-BR campaign right now with such a sun...)
But yes, I would like to see some serious cartography in TSR maps, like
lines of latitude and longitude, or at least a distance scale that varies
with position.

> Seriously, why assume Abrynis is a sphere?

Because it's most familiar. And because people want to use the
icosahedrally-sectioned maps from the _World Builder's Guidebook_. ;)

> Personally, I think I'm favoring something that would be circular with a
> severely sqaushed ellipse cross-section. The sun and moon would have an
> elliptical orbit around it while the star-scape "wobbles" seasonally.

So the planet would be stationary why? Because the gods glued it
in place? Otherwise it would need to be vastly more massive than its sun,
which would also have to be going very fast in order to make night and day.
Aebrynis would be *the* special planet from the Universe's standpoint, and
a DM using this model needs to decide why. The wobble is pretty easy to
implement, although one should have a reason for why, if Aebrynis is
indeed so special, it is not completely special.

> Thus one could have some really interesting adventures to the "center"
> of the world (which would be a disc if you follow).

Even quite strange adventures to the edge of the disc, where
gravity would be much stronger (for a uniformly dense world, anyway); or
to the middle latitudes, where gravity would be nowhere near perpendicular
to the ground. The actual earth is in fact aspherical in exactly the way
you describe (as I understand it, this is because it spins), but it's just
a very small effect (g is 9.80 m/s/s at some latitudes and 9.83 m/s/s at
others).

> What do you all think? Are we confined to the spherical world view or
> are there some other takes on this?

I prefer to make the fewest possible changes to a world I
understand, so that I am better able to see how things fit together.
Yes, adding magic is a big step, but I prefer simply to add additonal
terms to the Universe's Lagrangian, rather than alter existing ones.
(Hm, maybe this is a way to make Aebrynis very massive: mebhaighl has a
very high energy density but also a high (degeneracy?) pressure, and all
things there contain enough that they aren't crushed, but Aebrynis is the
only planet with mebhaighl, so it is strangely heavy? Haven't worked this
out yet, but it's an intriguing guess...)


- --Ryan

[Gary V. Foss]

DKEvermore wrote:

> What do you all think? Are we confined to the spherical world view or are
> there some other takes on this?

I like flat worlds, personally. They're easier to map.

- -Gary

[Ryan B. Caveney]

On Thu, 21 May 1998, Gary V. Foss wrote:
>
> I like flat worlds, personally. They're easier to map.

Oh, indeed! But all you really need is zero Gaussian curvature:
cylindrical worlds (or certain toroids) also have no distance distortion,
and have this nice property of having fewer edges. This is the approach
taken by many computer games.

- --Ryan

[The Olesen`s]

Pardon me but could anyone answer my origonal question?

In the Rulebook it syas that lieutenant actions CoS (chance of succes)
is halved if the charachter class has not exprience in that field,
example: fighter making a trade route.

Who would not be able to "Rule" or "Create Province"?
(Other than a fighter making a temple, etc,)

Is "Diplomacy" a thief thing? or would a wizard, priest, or warrior do?

"Lieteneant" CoS would be halved if looking for a diffrent class that
old lieutenant?


The nuclear thing was supposed to just be a silly thing.

[The Olesen`s]

Pardon me but could anyone answer my origonal question?

In the Rulebook it syas that lieutenant actions CoS (chance of succes)
is halved if the charachter class has not exprience in that field,
example: fighter making a trade route.

Who would not be able to "Rule" or "Create Province"?
(Other than a fighter making a temple, etc,)

Is "Diplomacy" a thief thing? or would a wizard, priest, or warrior do?

"Lieteneant" CoS would be halved if looking for a diffrent class than
the old lieutenant?


The nuclear thing was supposed to just be a silly thing.

[Gary V. Foss]

Ryan B. Caveney wrote:

> On Thu, 21 May 1998, Gary V. Foss wrote:
> >
> > I like flat worlds, personally. They're easier to map.
>
> Oh, indeed! But all you really need is zero Gaussian curvature:
> cylindrical worlds (or certain toroids) also have no distance distortion,
> and have this nice property of having fewer edges. This is the approach
> taken by many computer games.

You lost me right after the word "zero" in the above message. I'm afraid I
know more about water ballet than I do about cartography. More's the pity.

- -Gary

[Memnoch]

- -----Original Message-----
From: The Olesen's
To: birthright@MPGN.COM
Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Class Adpetness


>Pardon me but could anyone answer my origonal question?
>
>In the Rulebook it syas that lieutenant actions CoS (chance of succes)
>is halved if the charachter class has not exprience in that field,
>example: fighter making a trade route.
>
>Who would not be able to "Rule" or "Create Province"?
>(Other than a fighter making a temple, etc,)
>
>Is "Diplomacy" a thief thing? or would a wizard, priest, or warrior do?
>
>"Lieteneant" CoS would be halved if looking for a diffrent class that
>old lieutenant?


Well, to make it simple, if the class gets full regency points (if they were
a regent), then they do not suffer a penalty to the Lieutenant action. If
they do not gain regency or only half regency, then they suffer the
penalty...

Memnoch

>The nuclear thing was supposed to just be a silly thing.
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[David Sean Brown]

> Who would not be able to "Rule" or "Create Province"?
> (Other than a fighter making a temple, etc,)

A couple of people have actually addressed this, but I thought I'd toss my
hat in the ring. AS far as Create Province goes, I thin kthat would be
allowed by any class.the ruling of a province is not class specific, at
least in my opinion (and jsut for some sort of back up, all classes
collect full regency for the ruling of a province, unlike for many
holdings. If you are trying to figure out which class to penalize for
attempting to rule a particular holding, check the table...if they could
normally generate regency from the holding, then it is an "acceptable"
action (eg paladin ruling a temple or a law holding)..if they couldn't
collect regency from it, then they are at half chance..


>
> Is "Diplomacy" a thief thing? or would a wizard, priest, or warrior do?

I think anyone can do diplomacy..being a particular class has little
bearing on how well you act in a diplomatic fashion. Although certain
classes may have advanteges depending on the topic being negotiated, all
should be (or at least have hte potential to be) equally skilled. I don't
think all the actions are menat to be grouped in to the "allowed" and "not
allowed" groupes..I think there are just a few that would be not allowed,
and mainly the ruling or creating of particular holdings, and the creation
of ley lines and trade routes.


Sean

[DKEvermore]

In a message dated 98-05-22 07:25:55 EDT, you write:

> Who would not be able to "Rule" or "Create Province"?
> (Other than a fighter making a temple, etc,)

Any regent can.

>
> Is "Diplomacy" a thief thing? or would a wizard, priest, or warrior do?

Again, any regent can conduct Diplomacy. If the character does not have a
diplomacy or diplomacy-related skill, you might decrease his/her odds.

>
> "Lieteneant" CoS would be halved if looking for a diffrent class than
> the old lieutenant?
>

I would say yes.

However, I would point out that in my own game I rarely enforce this rule,
unless it is an action that is really outside what the character could
normally do (i.e. what budding wizard will apprentice to a fighter regent
instead of wizard regent? or does that regent priestess to Laerme really have
enough business sense to also easily start up a new guild holding? either
case, the answer would be no.)

- -DKE