Anurian Empire-12 Duchies

[Trankel Al Ker]

At 04:19 PM 8/05/98 -0500, James Ruhland wrote:
>>
>> Rights=control over that land, no? :D Never said anything about whether
>> they actually *ruled* that land, if you know what I mean! :P
>>
>Now we're getting way into quibbling. . .he was given rights to the land by
>Roele, but not by the Spider. So he never "controled" it, or Ruled it. Or
>probably even set foot in it (and anyone he sent into it, probably only
>came back, if at all, in several pieces. . .which I would hardly consider
>excercising control.)
>
Let's say it this way: Roele gave him the land, but never said anything
about the awshenglien that lived there.. =) (I think they missed to tell
that to the spider)... )=)
Trankel Al Ker
Lord of the Brotherhood of the Black Tulipan

[The Olesen`s]

What "present-day" domains did the duchy of Diemed encompass?
Ilien?
Medeore?
Roesone?

And what did the duchy of Aewerne encompass?
Osorde?
I have no clue.

[James Ruhland]

>
> What "present-day" domains did the duchy of Diemed encompass?
> Ilien?
> Medeore?
> Roesone?
>
Ilien, Medoere, and about half of Roesone

> And what did the duchy of Aewerne encompass?
> Osorde?
> I have no clue.
>
The other half of Roesone, but no part of Osoerde.

[Eric Dunn]

They have a very rough map in the front of the novel "The Iron Throne"
which shows the original 12 duchies. Aerenwe was it, by itself, nada. Had
a few provinces of Roesone, I think, but it's hard to tell. Diemed had
parts of Roesone, Medoere and Ilien. Ilien, surprisingly was the first to
leave Diemed. Oh, and Osoerde was a duchy of it's own, and I know Coeranys
is listed as currently having a duchess, way back when, it was listed as a
"border" country, or some such.

E
]


At 03:54 PM 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>What "present-day" domains did the duchy of Diemed encompass?
> Ilien?
> Medeore?
> Roesone?
>
>And what did the duchy of Aewerne encompass?
> Osorde?
> I have no clue.
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[Jim Cooper]

The Olesen's wrote:
>
> What "present-day" domains did the duchy of Diemed encompass?
> Ilien?
> Medeore?
> Roesone?
>
> And what did the duchy of Aewerne encompass?
> Osorde?
> I have no clue.

Diemed: all of Endier, Ilien, Medoere, Diemed (of course), and parts of
Roesone (basically Ghoried, Caercas, and part of Fairfield)

Aerenwe: all of Aerenwe (of course) and parts of Roesone (specifically
Edlin, Duerlin, Abbatour, Bellam, and part of Fairfield)

Hope this helps!

Darren

[James Ruhland]

>
> Diemed: all of Endier, Ilien, Medoere, Diemed (of course), and parts of
> Roesone (basically Ghoried, Caercas, and part of Fairfield)
>
As far as I know, Diemed never actually ruled the area around Endier. Roele
granted the rights to the place to Diem, but he could never wrest it from
the Spider.

[Jim Cooper]

James Ruhland wrote:
> As far as I know, Diemed never actually ruled the area around Endier. Roele
> granted the rights to the place to Diem, but he could never wrest it from
> the Spider.

Rights=control over that land, no? :D Never said anything about whether
they actually *ruled* that land, if you know what I mean! :P

(my guess is that it was a 0 level province at the time, before RE came)

Darren

[James Ruhland]

>
> Rights=control over that land, no? :D Never said anything about whether
> they actually *ruled* that land, if you know what I mean! :P
>
Now we're getting way into quibbling. . .he was given rights to the land by
Roele, but not by the Spider. So he never "controled" it, or Ruled it. Or
probably even set foot in it (and anyone he sent into it, probably only
came back, if at all, in several pieces. . .which I would hardly consider
excercising control.)

James "Pedantikos" Ruhland

[Jim Cooper]

James Ruhland wrote:
>. .he was given rights to the land by
> Roele, but not by the Spider. So he never "controled" it, or Ruled it. Or
> probably even set foot in it (and anyone he sent into it, probably only
> came back, if at all, in several pieces. . .which I would hardly consider
> excercising control.)
>

Okay, true - whatever you say - all I'm saying is that I don't see why
someone needs to go ask permission to settle an area that doesn't belong
to the person he was asking. Or, was given rights over a piece of land
but not allowed to say he owned that piece of land, and believing those
rights made it a part of his demesne. If one take all this as given,
then no, Endier was not part of Diemed. Sorry for any confusion I have
caused.

Darren "Now I'm even MORE confused about BR feudalism!" Cooper

[James Ruhland]

>
> Darren "Now I'm even MORE confused about BR feudalism!" Cooper
>
Feudalism is a terrible, confusing form of government. When I'm Emperor, I
plan on scrapping the whole thing and going for something more rational. .
.once i can figure out what that might be. :)~

[veryfastperson@juno.com]

On Fri, 8 May 1998 15:40:44 -0500 "James Ruhland"
writes:
>>
>> Diemed: all of Endier, Ilien, Medoere, Diemed (of course), and parts
>of
>> Roesone (basically Ghoried, Caercas, and part of Fairfield)
>>
>As far as I know, Diemed never actually ruled the area around Endier.
>Roele
>granted the rights to the place to Diem, but he could never wrest it
>from
>the Spider.


okay, i've been reading a lot of the responses to this, but i don't
really agree to any of them. First - yes, it was granted by Roele.
Second, the baron of Diemed never wanted it. if anyone has read the novel
The Spider's Test, it explains that the baron had it, yet never used it.
my meaning for this - level 0 province, no holdings. it's not that he was
worried about the spider, he just didn't want to deal with what /might/
happen.

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[Ryan B. Caveney]

On Fri, 8 May 1998, James Ruhland wrote:

> >
> > Darren "Now I'm even MORE confused about BR feudalism!" Cooper
> >
> Feudalism is a terrible, confusing form of government. When I'm Emperor, I
> plan on scrapping the whole thing and going for something more rational. .
> .once i can figure out what that might be. :)~



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