Lieutenants question

[Bryan Palmer]

If a lieutenant is unblooded or blooded but without regency, should
he/she be allowed to perform an action (particularly domain actions)
that assumes regency for the character? (e.g. performing a realm spell
would require that the person has a personal connection to a magical
source, raising the level of a province would assume a strong connection
to the land, etc.)

I can see how this could be done through a blooded vassal who is
receiving regency, but I don't understand how an unblooded lieutenant,
who has no regency, could have the "right" to perform these types of
actions.

I guess you could do it in a round-about way by saying that the regent
is giving regency through his support to the lieutenant but it still
doesn't answer the question of whether the lieutenant the "divine right"
(for lack of a better explanation) to complete the required domain
action.


"Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines"
Bryan Palmer
Arizona State University
Bryan.Palmer@ASU.EDU

[James Ruhland]

>
> If a lieutenant is unblooded or blooded but without regency, should
> he/she be allowed to perform an action (particularly domain actions)
> that assumes regency for the character? (e.g. performing a realm spell
> would require that the person has a personal connection to a magical
> source, raising the level of a province would assume a strong connection
> to the land, etc.)
>
Hmmmn: lets take Realm Spells 1st/Mages. No, I don't think a Lt, including
Magician Lt, can cast Realm Spells for you. Ok, what about a Lt.
(unblooded) cleric casting Priest Realm Spells? Hmmmmn. . .that might
relate to my answer below:

A Louie is the deputized agent of the Regent. He doesn't have the
connection to the land that the Regent does (which is why the rules as
written for the most part say that you can't spend additional RPs to
improve the success odds when it is a Lieutenant conducting the action;
blooded or not, he isn't the Regent).
But, as the designated & recognized deputy of the Regent, he can have
*some* influence on the land and realm. Thus he can spend the 1 RP (or
whatever) that the Regent donates for this action, and has his 10+ (or
whatever, generally reduced anyhow) chance of succeeding.
Now, lets go back to that priest: he's the designated agent of his
(probably prelate/priest Regent). Can he cast a Realm Spell? IMO, I would
say "no", if he's unblooded. But with the above in mind I can see that the
answer *might* be "yes".

[Jim Cooper]

Bryan Palmer wrote:
>
> If a lieutenant is unblooded or blooded but without regency, should
> he/she be allowed to perform an action (particularly domain actions)
> that assumes regency for the character? (e.g. performing a realm spell
> would require that the person has a personal connection to a magical
> source, raising the level of a province would assume a strong connection
> to the land, etc.)
>
> I can see how this could be done through a blooded vassal who is
> receiving regency, but I don't understand how an unblooded lieutenant,
> who has no regency, could have the "right" to perform these types of
> actions.
>
> I guess you could do it in a round-about way by saying that the regent
> is giving regency through his support to the lieutenant but it still
> doesn't answer the question of whether the lieutenant the "divine right"
> (for lack of a better explanation) to complete the required domain
> action.

Right. I have this question too. While I liked the definitions the Two
Big Cheeses gave (Ed and Carrie), their definitions didn't seem to
address this very question. Since the unblooded person doesn't have a
bloodline, they are unable to receive RPs; if regency points represents
support et. al. then wouldn't the regents support in this case (re:
louies) be, in effect, giving regency points to the louie to perform the
action? Or, is the unblooded person an automaton, doing the regents'
will unquestionably and in effect, the regent herself is performing the
(extra) domain action through this lieutenant?

I guess the question is: who actually performs the action?

Darren

[Memnoch]

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>If a lieutenant is unblooded or blooded but without regency, should
>he/she be allowed to perform an action (particularly domain actions)
>that assumes regency for the character? (e.g. performing a realm spell
>would require that the person has a personal connection to a magical
>source, raising the level of a province would assume a strong connection
>to the land, etc.)


Yes, A lieutenant, regardless of whether his is blooded or unblooded can
perform 1 domain action for his/her regent. In the case of domain actions
that require regency, the Regent of the Lt in question is who pays the
regency. Although, the regent cannot bid more regency points to improve the
chances of the domain action succeeding. In the case of Realm spells, a
Wizard (not Magician) or Priest Lt can cast realm spells for his or her
Regent, as long as 1) The Lt knows the spell, 2) The Lt is of the required
level to cast the spell (kinda relates to #1), 3) The Lt's Regent has enough
regency and/or gold bars stored up to pay for the regency and gold bar costs
of the spell and last but not least, 4) The Regent has a holding under
his/her control of the required level to successfully cast the spell... If
any one of these 4 conditions is not met, the Lt cannot successfully cast
the spell or cannot cast the spell at all.

>I can see how this could be done through a blooded vassal who is
>receiving regency, but I don't understand how an unblooded lieutenant,
>who has no regency, could have the "right" to perform these types of
>actions.


A Lt never "recieves" regency...recieving regency would entail a Vassalage
Investiture spell. He just acts as a surrogate regent when performing
domain actions for his/her Liege Lord. I know, it is a minor distiction,
but an important one nonetheless....

>I guess you could do it in a round-about way by saying that the regent
>is giving regency through his support to the lieutenant but it still
>doesn't answer the question of whether the lieutenant the "divine right"
>(for lack of a better explanation) to complete the required domain
>action.
>
>
>"Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines"
>Bryan Palmer
>Arizona State University
>Bryan.Palmer@ASU.EDU
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