Cold Rider = Azrai ???

[John]

> Again, this is all based on whether or not there were halflings in Deismaar.
> THIS is what i want someone to comment on. TSR staffers out there, were
> there any?

Since there are blooded halflings (eg. the Burrows noble families),
and I doubt that all of them were invested by other races/committed
bloodtheft, I'd say there were halflings at Deismaar, although
probably not many.

The BR Promo - flash artwork? Something big, dark and dramatic on the
colour side with background, b/w sketches and stuff on the back? That
way you get new people attracted by the artwork, interested in the
stuff on the back, while us experienced players get some funky
background and a cool poster.

As a sideline - how about a return to the old slogan from the
original ads, which has since not been used too often -

"They say you never hear the one that gets you. They say it's lonely
at the top. They say life is too short to be little.
People say all sorts of things, but when you're king,
better make sure they say it to your face."

Very cool, IMHO.

:-)

John.

"Once I was a lamb, playing in a green field. Then
the wolves came. Now I am an eagle and I fly in a
different universe."
"And now you kill the lambs," whispered Dardalion.
"No, priest. No one pays for lambs."
- David Gemmel, Waylander

[gandalf]

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CHARGE OF THE COLD RIDER
Adventure, TSR #3141
Charge of the Cold Rider concludes the Essence of Evil epic storyline =
for the Birthright campaign. The Cold Rider is the Heart of Azrai, =
shattered god of evil, driven to reclaim his lost power from those who =
wield it. Old alliances are shaken and new ones must form to prevent the =
rebirth of Cerilia's most powerful enemy.
By Ed Stark

Ok this is what the TSR 98 catalog says about charge of the cold rider. =
Correct me if i'm wrong, but the cold rider has existed long before =
Deismaar. He was the one that drove the halflings from the Shadow world, =
and the halflings were long enough in cerilia to actually participate in =
Deismaar. Right? Is the Cold Rider just a favorite Avatar that somehow =
survived???

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[dragon]

gandalf wrote:

> CHARGE OF THE COLD RIDER
> Adventure, TSR #3141
> Charge of the Cold Rider concludes the Essence of Evil epic storyline
> for the Birthright campaign. The Cold Rider is the Heart of Azrai,
> shattered god of evil, driven to reclaim his lost power from those who
> wield it. Old alliances are shaken and new ones must form to prevent
> the rebirth of Cerilia's most powerful enemy.
> By Ed Stark Ok this is what the TSR 98 catalog says about charge of
> the cold rider. Correct me if i'm wrong, but the cold rider has
> existed long before Deismaar. He was the one that drove the halflings
> from the Shadow world, and the halflings were long enough in cerilia
> to actually participate in Deismaar. Right? Is the Cold Rider just a
> favorite Avatar that somehow survived???

Hmm, as far as I remember it was a being called the Usurper who drove
the halfings from their home. I, for one, am inclined to believe that
the Cold Rider has some connection to Azrai (whether the Rider is Azrai,
a servant, or something else, we'll have to wait to find out I suppose).

Dragon
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[Tim Nutting]

In the Atlas the persona who writes it (a fictional character created by
the designers for the purpose of writing a "history" that could easily be
said is false - nice trick!) says that the shadow world was discovered
around the same time as Diesmar. The Cold Rider, according to the Rulebook
is a power at work in the Shadow World and is either an awnshegh or as
"others aver that [the Cold Rider] is a god spawned by Azrai's
destruction".

Before this year I'd been basing a resurected Azrai off of David Edding's
Belgariad in some respects. I had either decided to use CR as the
re-embodied husk of Azrai, a sort of half avatar (my own stuff, don't
bother) or as a demon lord like yeenoghu or one of the others (look at 1st
ed monster manuals - great stuff for defeateable gods - an idea that 2nd
edition destroys too readily).

Too bad they can't say demon or devil anymore, huh? I guess it hit too
close to home for some folks.

>Ok this is what the TSR 98 catalog says about charge of the cold rider.
Correct me if >i'm wrong, but the cold rider has existed long before
Deismaar. He was the one that >drove the halflings from the Shadow world,
and the halflings were long enough in cerilia >to actually participate in
Deismaar. Right? Is the Cold Rider just a favorite Avatar that >somehow
survived???

[gandalf]

Still, I believe that there were fighting units of halflings in Deismaar.
That means that halflings were there long enough to be able to participate
in such a ground-shaking event. IMHO, this would be at least 8months. These
people would be the first to leave the Shadow World after the CR's
onslaught. It follows that Azrai was pretty much alive at the time the
halflings were forced to flee the Shadow world.
Again, this is all based on whether or not there were halflings in Deismaar.
THIS is what i want someone to comment on. TSR staffers out there, were
there any?
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From: Tim Nutting
To: birthright@MPGN.COM
Date: Sunday, February 08, 1998 00:04
Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Cold Rider = Azrai ???


>In the Atlas the persona who writes it (a fictional character created by
>the designers for the purpose of writing a "history" that could easily be
>said is false - nice trick!) says that the shadow world was discovered
>around the same time as Diesmar. The Cold Rider, according to the Rulebook
>is a power at work in the Shadow World and is either an awnshegh or as
>"others aver that [the Cold Rider] is a god spawned by Azrai's
>destruction".
>
>Before this year I'd been basing a resurected Azrai off of David Edding's
>Belgariad in some respects. I had either decided to use CR as the
>re-embodied husk of Azrai, a sort of half avatar (my own stuff, don't
>bother) or as a demon lord like yeenoghu or one of the others (look at 1st
>ed monster manuals - great stuff for defeateable gods - an idea that 2nd
>edition destroys too readily).
>
>Too bad they can't say demon or devil anymore, huh? I guess it hit too
>close to home for some folks.
>
>>Ok this is what the TSR 98 catalog says about charge of the cold rider.
>Correct me if >i'm wrong, but the cold rider has existed long before
>Deismaar. He was the one that >drove the halflings from the Shadow world,
>and the halflings were long enough in cerilia >to actually participate in
>Deismaar. Right? Is the Cold Rider just a favorite Avatar that >somehow
>survived???
>
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[c558382@showme.missouri.]

On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, gandalf wrote:

> Still, I believe that there were fighting units of halflings in Deismaar.
> ... These people would be the first to leave the Shadow World after the CR's
> onslaught. It follows that Azrai was pretty much alive at the time the
> halflings were forced to flee the Shadow world.

Isn't it entirely plausable that Azrai was implimenting a movement in both
Cerilia and the Shadow? Known as the Cold Rider there, and Azrai here,
and that what survived of him, if in fact he is to be "resurected",
survived there and not here?

Kenneth Gauck
c558382@showme.missouri.edu

[CBebris@aol.co]

In a message dated 98-02-08 18:02:30 EST, you write:

>

Yes, there were halflings at the Battle of Mount Deismaar (otherwise blooded
halfling characters would be almost nonexistent). Even before halflings fled
the Shadow World, they were always able to move freely between there and
Cerilia. It stands to reason that with such an earth-shaking event as Deismaar
going on, some halflings would be present.

Carrie Bebris

[gandalf]

yes... i agree that is a perfectly reasonable way to aproach the subject
that i somehow had never considered. thanks
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From: c558382@showme.missouri.edu
To: birthright@MPGN.COM
Date: Monday, February 09, 1998 05:55
Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Cold Rider = Azrai ???


>
>On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, gandalf wrote:
>
>> Still, I believe that there were fighting units of halflings in Deismaar.
>> ... These people would be the first to leave the Shadow World after the
CR's
>> onslaught. It follows that Azrai was pretty much alive at the time the
>> halflings were forced to flee the Shadow world.
>
>Isn't it entirely plausable that Azrai was implimenting a movement in both
>Cerilia and the Shadow? Known as the Cold Rider there, and Azrai here,
>and that what survived of him, if in fact he is to be "resurected",
>survived there and not here?
>
>Kenneth Gauck
>c558382@showme.missouri.edu
>
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