Elves and Healing

[JD Sivyer]

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Magic flows throughout Cerilia - in fact, the land is magic. It's just
learning how to tap it that is the difficult part. My question is this:
if elves have "sprang" from the earth, composed of a beautiful balance
of the basic four elements, and they can control the flow of magic by
casting realm spells, etc., what's to stop them from creating a spell
that enables them to heal?

That was one of the ways I explained how humans managed to defeat the
elves (that and numbers), because humans had healing and elves did not.
But...what's to stop the elves from creating a healing spell? They've
had thousands of years to come up with one and they are composed of the
elements.

You could easily answer "healing only comes from the Gods", and I could
live with this answer, but I would like to get everyone else's opinion,
and maybe we can come up with a pretty logical answer. But, please, do
not say "game balance", because I already am aware of this answer. : )

Hope this sparks an interesting discussion.

Regards,
Jason.

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Magic flows throughout Cerilia - in fact, the land is magic. 
It's just learning how to tap it that is the difficult part. My question
is this: if elves have "sprang" from the earth, composed of a beautiful
balance of the basic four elements, and they can control the flow of magic
by casting realm spells, etc., what's to stop them from creating a spell
that enables them to heal?

That was one of the ways I explained how humans managed to defeat the
elves (that and numbers), because humans had healing and elves did not. 
But...what's to stop the elves from creating a healing spell? They've had
thousands of years to come up with one and they are composed of
the elements.

You could easily answer "healing only comes from the Gods", and I could
live with this answer, but I would like to get everyone else's opinion,
and maybe we can come up with a pretty logical answer.  But, please,
do not say "game balance", because I already am aware of this answer. 
: )

Hope this sparks an interesting discussion.

Regards,
Jason.



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[E Gray]

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From: JD Sivyer
To: birthright@MPGN.COM
Date: Friday, November 21, 1997 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Elves and Healing


Magic flows throughout Cerilia - in fact, the land is magic. It's just
learning how to tap it that is the difficult part. My question is this: if elves
have "sprang" from the earth, composed of a beautiful balance of the basic four
elements, and they can control the flow of magic by casting realm spells, etc.,
what's to stop them from creating a spell that enables them to heal?
Maybe it's related to being part of the natural order. Causing themselves
to be healed would result in unbalancing the universe or something and would
cause the downfall of all things elven. Maybe there magic just doesn't flow
into those patterns. That makes perfect sense as an explanation..

[abeard@zebra.net (Adam B]

JD Sivyer wrote:
>
> Magic flows throughout Cerilia - in fact, the land is magic. It's
> just learning how to tap it that is the difficult part. My question is
> this: if elves have "sprang" from the earth, composed of a beautiful
> balance of the basic four elements, and they can control the flow of
> magic by casting realm spells, etc., what's to stop them from creating
> a spell that enables them to heal?
>
> That was one of the ways I explained how humans managed to defeat the
> elves (that and numbers), because humans had healing and elves did
> not. But...what's to stop the elves from creating a healing spell?
> They've had thousands of years to come up with one and they are
> composed of the elements.
>
> You could easily answer "healing only comes from the Gods", and I
> could live with this answer, but I would like to get everyone else's
> opinion, and maybe we can come up with a pretty logical answer. But,
> please, do not say "game balance", because I already am aware of this
> answer. : )
I like this. It has always been said that the earth has healing
properties. Also in several fantasy novels I have read(sorry don't have
names) elves were able to heal. I think this is an interesting idea. It
should be a high level spell that is difficult to learn. Therefore it
won't be available to every little elf running around.

Adam Beard

[Bryan Ruther]

JD Sivyer wrote:

> .......what's to stop the elves from creating a healing spell?

Actually, even leaving out Vampiric Touch (elves wouldn't touch nasty
Necromancy anyway), there are at least a couple of spells which allow
mages to cure damage.

Sand Healing - this is from AlQudim, I seem to remember it being 4th
level
Time Healing (or something like that) - from a Dragon article some years
ago
Symbul's Synastadwoemer (again I don't remember the exact name, much
less the spelling) - It's in a FR product, I don't remember which one.
Decastave - from the FR hardcover

These four are just off the top of my head, I'm sure that there are at
least a few more out there.

Bryan

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Mankind being originally equals in the order of creation,
the equality could only be destroyed by some subsequent
circumstance...
Thomas Paine, Common Sense

[Patrick McCormick]

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JD Sivyer wrote:

> , what's to stop them from creating a spell that enables them to heal?
>
> That was one of the ways I explained how humans managed to defeat the
> elves (that and numbers), because humans had healing and elves did
> not. But...what's to stop the elves from creating a healing spell?
> They've had thousands of years to come up with one and they are
> composed of the elements.

I would guess that the elves never came up with a healing spell because
it was never neccessary. The humans most likely had wars between
themselves before encountering the elves and needed to take advantage of
the powers of healing. The elves on the other hand may have always been
a peaceful people and never really had much use for it.

That's just my opinion.


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JD Sivyer wrote:
, what's to stop them from creating a spell that
enables them to heal?

That was one of the ways I explained how humans managed to defeat the
elves (that and numbers), because humans had healing and elves did not. 
But...what's to stop the elves from creating a healing spell? They've had
thousands of years to come up with one and they are composed of
the elements.
I would guess that the elves never came up with a healing spell because
it was never neccessary.  The humans most likely had wars between
themselves before encountering the elves and needed to take advantage of
the powers of healing.  The elves on the other hand may have always
been a peaceful people and never really had much use for it.

That's just my opinion.
 

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    Answers are never known; to those who don't understand
the question."

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[Trizt]

On 22-Nov-97, E Gray (grayhome@sprintmail.com) wrote about Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] -
Elves and Healing:

Thanks Grey to reposting the mail without those damned html codes.

- -> From: JD Sivyer

- -> Magic flows throughout Cerilia - in fact, the land is magic. It's just
- ->learning how to tap it that is the difficult part. My question is this: if
- ->elves have "sprang" from the earth, composed of a beautiful balance of
- ->the basic four elements, and they can control the flow of magic by
- ->casting realm spells, etc.,
- ->what's to stop them from creating a spell that enables them to heal?
- -> Maybe it's related to being part of the natural order. Causing
themselves
- ->to be healed would result in unbalancing the universe or something and would
- ->cause the downfall of all things elven. Maybe there magic just doesn't flow
- ->into those patterns. That makes perfect sense as an explanation..

Why must it be a spell, Elves may have been able to heal with help of some
powerful plant which only the elves are able to grow (something like the tree
in D&D which all (?) elven strongholds had which even helped in defence). Let
say that the "life trees" leafs heals 1d4 hitpoints. There is one of thise in
each ot the elven capitals and legends tells that once in the time each elven
city had one. The leafs are sold among the elves as Healing potions among the
other races.


Or what about this:
When an elf sleeps s/he heals one hitpoint per hour of sleep. The elf comes to
a higher spiritual plane when sleeping and can't be awakened by any mean
during the sleeping period. When the elf goes to sleep s/he decides for how
many hours and at the end ot the time a willpower (wis) check is made, if it
fails the elf continues sleeping as s/he has drawn it self to close to the
elemental planes. A hour later the elf gets another try to wakeup, but this
time with a penatly, -1 for each hour longer the sleep has last than was
decided. A 1 result is always a success. If the sleep lasted longer, the elf
will have a -2 penalty on every none spiritual action, while a +1 bonus for
all spiritual actions. E.g. Untamo has been badly hurt during a battle against
th evil humans and decides he will reach the elemental planes and stay there
for 10 hours. Nothing bad happens during the 10 hurs as he is protected by
some elven guards. The dm rolls a 20 which says that Untamo will sleep one
hour longer as the next check is a 2. Untamo has now healed 11 hitpoints, but
has those special penatly/bonus for 24hours.


On 22-Nov-97, Patrick McCormick (flammie@earthlink.net) wrote about Re:
[BIRTHRIGHT] - Elves and Healing:

- ->I would guess that the elves never came up with a healing spell because
- ->it was never neccessary. The humans most likely had wars between
- ->themselves before encountering the elves and needed to take advantage of
- ->the powers of healing. The elves on the other hand may have always been
- ->a peaceful people and never really had much use for it.

Hey, elves did fight against the goblins long before the humans came, so they
have been in need of healning of some kind for ages and they prolly had
someway to heal, otherwise there hadn't been any elves left. Those goblins
have their own healing machines like humans, so the elves surely saw priest
cast healing long before than they saw humans or heared that there was some.


//Trizt of Ward^RITE

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[Daniel McSorley]

From: Patrick McCormick
>I would guess that the elves never came up with a healing spell because
>it was never neccessary. The humans most likely had wars between
>themselves before encountering the elves and needed to take advantage of
>the powers of healing. The elves on the other hand may have always been
>a peaceful people and never really had much use for it.
>
But the elves had been warring with the goblins for a long time, hadn't
they? That's at least partially why they switched sides at Deismaar.

Daniel McSorley
mcsorley.1@osu.edu

[Mark A Vandermeulen]

On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, Trizt wrote:

> When an elf sleeps s/he heals one hitpoint per hour of sleep. The elf comes to
> a higher spiritual plane when sleeping and can't be awakened by any mean
> during the sleeping period. When the elf goes to sleep s/he decides for how
> many hours and at the end ot the time a willpower (wis) check is made, if it
> fails the elf continues sleeping as s/he has drawn it self to close to the
> elemental planes. A hour later the elf gets another try to wakeup, but this
> time with a penatly, -1 for each hour longer the sleep has last than was
> decided. A 1 result is always a success. If the sleep lasted longer, the elf
> will have a -2 penalty on every none spiritual action, while a +1 bonus for
> all spiritual actions. E.g. Untamo has been badly hurt during a battle against
> th evil humans and decides he will reach the elemental planes and stay there
> for 10 hours. Nothing bad happens during the 10 hurs as he is protected by
> some elven guards. The dm rolls a 20 which says that Untamo will sleep one
> hour longer as the next check is a 2. Untamo has now healed 11 hitpoints, but
> has those special penatly/bonus for 24hours.

I like this idea. Sort of a "healing trance-state." It's kind of a cool
idea for a race that doesn't require sleep normally, and gives them reason
to have some fear of the state: no doubt it happens occasionally that
someone gets too far out and never returns, leaving a comatose body behind
for centuries. I don't know exactly what a "spiritual action" is, though.

My own thought was to double or triple the healing supplied by herbalism
proficiency checks, and perhaps from healing proficiency checks as well:
perhaps for a new proficiency called Sidhelien Healing to represent how
different the physiologies are between humans and elves. If the elf has a
cold, for instance, the Sidhelien healer puts him in a dry room with a
large fire to absorb some of the fiery humour, etc.

Another thought that struck me is that perhaps it has something to do
with the magical nature of the elven forests. Perhaps elves regenerate
naturally at some rate as long as they are within an elven forest. Once
humans come in and mess it up, poof, that stab wound remains painful and
debilitating until you find some new stretch of virgin wood. This helps
explain why elves are so rare among human lands, and reinforces their
fierce protectiveness of their ancentral lands. However, if this is the
case, I would rule that they CAN heal if they were in a Source, just to
keep it from being impossible to bring and elf on a campaign. I would also
say that they can benefit from clerical healing, they just can't generate
such healing on their own.

Mark VanderMeulen
vander+@pitt.edu

[Patrick McCormick]

Trizt wrote:

> On 22-Nov-97, Patrick McCormick (flammie@earthlink.net) wrote about Re:
> [BIRTHRIGHT] - Elves and Healing:
>
> ->I would guess that the elves never came up with a healing spell because
> ->it was never neccessary. The humans most likely had wars between
> ->themselves before encountering the elves and needed to take advantage of
> ->the powers of healing. The elves on the other hand may have always been
> ->a peaceful people and never really had much use for it.
>
> Hey, elves did fight against the goblins long before the humans came, so they
> have been in need of healning of some kind for ages and they prolly had
> someway to heal, otherwise there hadn't been any elves left. Those goblins
> have their own healing machines like humans, so the elves surely saw priest
> cast healing long before than they saw humans or heared that there was some.

That is a good point, I wasn't thinking about that. Perhaps the reason that they
didn't create it then is just simply they didn't think of it, or didn't know how.
We were communicating with speech before we could write, we sailed in ships before
we had compasses or maps, we also knew about electricity before we had the
lightbulb. And surly there are many things that we are not aware of that could
have been invented long before our time. The elves probably just never came up
with the healing spell, because they couldn't figure out how to harness energy in
that form.

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Answers are never known; to those who don't understand the question."

~Mick

[Patrick McCormick]

Trizt wrote:

> On 22-Nov-97, Patrick McCormick (flammie@earthlink.net) wrote about Re:
> [BIRTHRIGHT] - Elves and Healing:
>
> ->I would guess that the elves never came up with a healing spell because
> ->it was never neccessary. The humans most likely had wars between
> ->themselves before encountering the elves and needed to take advantage of
> ->the powers of healing. The elves on the other hand may have always been
> ->a peaceful people and never really had much use for it.
>
> Hey, elves did fight against the goblins long before the humans came, so they
> have been in need of healning of some kind for ages and they prolly had
> someway to heal, otherwise there hadn't been any elves left. Those goblins
> have their own healing machines like humans, so the elves surely saw priest
> cast healing long before than they saw humans or heared that there was some.

That is a good point, I wasn't thinking about that. Perhaps the reason that they
didn't create it then is just simply they didn't think of it, or didn't know how.
We were communicating with speech before we could write, we sailed in ships before
we had compasses or maps, we also knew about electricity before we had the
lightbulb. And surly there are many things that we are not aware of that could
have been invented long before our time. The elves probably just never came up
with the healing spell, because they couldn't figure out how to harness energy in
that form.

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Answers are never known; to those who don't understand the question."

~Mick

[Bond007]

> > what's to stop them from creating
> > a spell that enables them to heal?
> >
> > That was one of the ways I explained how humans managed to defeat the
> > elves (that and numbers), because humans had healing and elves did
> > not. But...what's to stop the elves from creating a healing spell?
> > They've had thousands of years to come up with one and they are
> > composed of the elements.
I agree with this...I think this is why the elves were taken out. The
humans healed, and the elves blead.


> I like this. It has always been said that the earth has healing
> properties. Also in several fantasy novels I have read(sorry don't have
> names) elves were able to heal. I think this is an interesting idea. It
> should be a high level spell that is difficult to learn. Therefore it
> won't be available to every little elf running around.

Yes, the Earth does heal, however, it is very slow. Elves are from the
elements and this is proven by their immortality. Elves heal, but at a
slow pace, just like the Earth. For instance, when a province is lowered
in it's population level, the source does not immediatly go back up, right?
If a 4/3 province is lowered to 3, it becomes a 3/3, not 3/4 immediatly.
It takes a while for the source to raise to 4. Same way with the Elves...I
do not think a healing spell should be allowed for them because it is
priestly magic, something which he Elves place no value upon...besides,
with the strange time flow in the Elven lands anyway, who's to say that
them being in there 2 days doesn't heal their wounds completely? (This is
from the "Iron Throne", where Michael Roele was in Tuarieval for a month,
and he was gone actually for a year!)

Just my 2 cents worth, anyone have change for a nickel?
Bondman

"Do you expect me to talk?"
"No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!"
"Bummer..."

Fan of Bond, James Bond 007
Insanity manifested

[JD Sivyer]

Bryan Ruther wrote:

> Actually, even leaving out Vampiric Touch (elves wouldn't touch nasty
> Necromancy anyway), there are at least a couple of spells which allow
>
> mages to cure damage.
>
> Sand Healing - this is from AlQudim, I seem to remember it being 4th
> level
> Time Healing (or something like that) - from a Dragon article some
> years
> ago
> Symbul's Synastadwoemer (again I don't remember the exact name, much
> less the spelling) - It's in a FR product, I don't remember which one.
>
> Decastave - from the FR hardcover
>

Yeah, that's fine, mentioning that Vampiric Touch and Healing spells
usually fall under Necromancy, but qouting Al Qadim spells is not really
the issue here. That's for the Land of Fate campaigns. This is
Birthright. Elves work differently on Cerilia than they do in the
world of Al Qadim.

Spells are harder to come by in Birthright, that's why they have a
suggested list in the BOM and the BOP. I do not like importing world
specific spells from other worlds into my campaigns. But, that's my way
of playing. The PHB spells are relatively common in Cerilia, TOM rare,
and Player's Option spells very rare.

Regards,
Jason.

[JD Sivyer]

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Patrick McCormick wrote:

> I would guess that the elves never came up with a healing spell
> because it was never neccessary. The humans most likely had wars
> between themselves before encountering the elves and needed to take
> advantage of the powers of healing. The elves on the other hand may
> have always been a peaceful people and never really had much use for
> it.
>
> That's just my opinion.
>

That's fair enough, but the humans have been on Cerilia for quite some
time now, so the Elves have had plenty of time to come up with a healing
spell of their own. It's only natural - your race is decreasing in
numbers every year due to the expansion of the humans, so you would come
up with an idea for a healing spell, if you were able to. I can't
imagine the elves never consider such a spell. So...the question
remains: why do they not have one?

Regards,
Jason.


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Patrick McCormick wrote:
I would guess that the elves never came up with a
healing spell because it was never neccessary.  The humans most likely
had wars between themselves before encountering the elves and needed to
take advantage of the powers of healing.  The elves on the other hand
may have always been a peaceful people and never really had much use for
it.

That's just my opinion.
 
That's fair enough, but the humans have been on Cerilia for quite some
time now, so the Elves have had plenty of time to come up with a healing
spell of their own.  It's only natural - your race is decreasing in
numbers every year due to the expansion of the humans, so you would come
up with an idea for a healing spell, if you were able to. 
I can't imagine the elves never consider such a spell.   So...the
question remains: why do they not have one?

Regards,
Jason.
 



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[JD Sivyer]

Trizt wrote:

> Why must it be a spell, Elves may have been able to heal with help of
> some
> powerful plant which only the elves are able to grow (something like
> the tree
> in D&D which all (?) elven strongholds had which even helped in
> defence). Let
> say that the "life trees" leafs heals 1d4 hitpoints. There is one of
> thise in
> each ot the elven capitals and legends tells that once in the time
> each elven
> city had one. The leafs are sold among the elves as Healing potions
> among the
> other races.
>
> Or what about this:
> When an elf sleeps s/he heals one hitpoint per hour of sleep. The elf
> comes to
> a higher spiritual plane when sleeping and can't be awakened by any
> mean
> during the sleeping period. When the elf goes to sleep s/he decides
> for how
> many hours and at the end ot the time a willpower (wis) check is made,
> if it
> fails the elf continues sleeping as s/he has drawn it self to close to
> the
> elemental planes. A hour later the elf gets another try to wakeup, but
> this
> time with a penatly, -1 for each hour longer the sleep has last than
> was
> decided. A 1 result is always a success. If the sleep lasted longer,
> the elf
> will have a -2 penalty on every none spiritual action, while a +1
> bonus for
> all spiritual actions. E.g. Untamo has been badly hurt during a battle
> against
> th evil humans and decides he will reach the elemental planes and stay
> there
> for 10 hours. Nothing bad happens during the 10 hurs as he is
> protected by
> some elven guards. The dm rolls a 20 which says that Untamo will sleep
> one
> hour longer as the next check is a 2. Untamo has now healed 11
> hitpoints, but
> has those special penatly/bonus for 24hours.
>

That's all very well, and some of these suggestions I quite like. The
idea of a particular leaf aiding in healing is good, and I can see the
bit about sleeping working _if_ elves slept - but they do not in
Cerilia. They may meditate, and it could be applied to this, but they
do not sleep. In my campaign I have slowed down elven bleeding a
little, to explain their closeness to the elements and their
surroundings. Becuase they are of nature, they have blood much like
sap, so...when they reach negative hps they do not lose 1 hp per round,
but 1 hp per turn, for their blood coagulates and then slowly drips like
sap does.

But, even if the elves do have access to healing leaves, and can
regenerate hps quicker during meditation, what is to stop them from
coming up with a healing spell? There will be times when they do not
have access to the healing leaves, or cannot rest because of the
circumstances they are in.

Regards,
Jason.

[Bryan Ruther]

Mark A Vandermeulen wrote:

> ... I would rule that they CAN heal if they were in a Source, just to
> keep it from being impossible to bring and elf on a campaign. I would also
> say that they can benefit from clerical healing, they just can't generate
> such healing on their own.

This gave me an interesting thought, what if you allow elves to heal a number of hit
points overnight equal to the source potential of the province, gives those elves
one more reason tostay out of the Imperial City...

Bryan


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Mankind being originally equals in the order of creation,
the equality could only be destroyed by some subsequent
circumstance...
Thomas Paine, Common Sense

[Trizt]

On 23-Nov-97, JD Sivyer (druid@iinet.net.au) wrote about Re: [BIRTHRIGHT] -
Elves and Healing:

- ->That's all very well, and some of these suggestions I quite like. The
- ->idea of a particular leaf aiding in healing is good, and I can see the
- ->bit about sleeping working _if_ elves slept - but they do not in
- ->Cerilia. They may meditate, and it could be applied to this, but they
- ->do not sleep.
It's not that important if you call it meditation or sleep...

- ->In my campaign I have slowed down elven bleeding a
- ->little, to explain their closeness to the elements and their
- ->surroundings. Becuase they are of nature, they have blood much like
- ->sap, so...when they reach negative hps they do not lose 1 hp per round,
- ->but 1 hp per turn, for their blood coagulates and then slowly drips like
- ->sap does.
That is a good idea... maybe I will use it

- ->But, even if the elves do have access to healing leaves, and can
- ->regenerate hps quicker during meditation, what is to stop them from
- ->coming up with a healing spell? There will be times when they do not
- ->have access to the healing leaves, or cannot rest because of the
- ->circumstances they are in.
There isn't as much need of a healing spell if they have the leafs and
meditation/sleep.



//Trizt of Ward^RITE

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[Colleen Simpson]

Didn't the elves have to war against the humanoids fairly regularly?

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>
>
> JD Sivyer wrote:
>
> > , what's to stop them from creating a spell that enables them to heal=
?
> >
> > That was one of the ways I explained how humans managed to defeat the
> > elves (that and numbers), because humans had healing and elves did
> > not. But...what's to stop the elves from creating a healing spell?
> > They've had thousands of years to come up with one and they are
> > composed of the elements.
>
> I would guess that the elves never came up with a healing spell because
> it was never neccessary. The humans most likely had wars between
> themselves before encountering the elves and needed to take advantage =
of
> the powers of healing. The elves on the other hand may have always bee=
n
> a peaceful people and never really had much use for it.
>
> That's just my opinion.
>
>
> --
> ----------
> "All questions are obvious; to those who know the answers,
> Answers are never known; to those who don't understand the
> question."
>
> ~Mick
>

[Bryan Ruther]

Robert Harper wrote:

> ...In addition, and for similar reasons, I have always detested the high-magic
>
> and other 'silly' supplements that suggest healing spells for wizards that
> are not black-magic necromancy based (like Vampiric Touch). It treads on
> the role of priests. Wizards are not good at healing, period. The only
> ways they can do it are unwholesome (V.Touch) or wildly expensive/costly
> (Ltd Wishes and Wishes).

Actually that was sort of the point, all the spells I mentioned are
HORRIBLYinefficiant as compared to priest spells. Even if the elves did create
a spell to
heal themselves, mage magic is not very good at healing outside of using dark
necromancy spells. Sure some of those examples may be campaign specific, but
they represent mages attempts at making a healing spell.
Bryan

- --
Mankind being originally equals in the order of creation,
the equality could only be destroyed by some subsequent
circumstance...
Thomas Paine, Common Sense

[JLR881@aol.co]

Any explanation will suffice to explain WHY elves don't heal. If you want
elves to be able to heal in your campaign, then I would suggest you get a
copy of either Spells and Magic or Skills and Powers. Both have character
class customization rules that would allow you to create a class of wizard
who would have access to the healing and/or necromantic spheres of priestly
magic. Since elves have been Aebrynnis's on-world masters of magic for some
considerable amount of time now, it might not be unreasonable to assume that
they have figured out how to manipulate magical energies to allow for such in
your campaign. IF you need your elves to have access to healing magic.

IMHO, anyway.

[JLR881@aol.co]

DAMN, you guys are vitriolic, if not exactly rude. I said in my posting " if
you need your elves to heal" . If you do not need your elves to heal, then
do not use S&M or S&P to augment the spellcasting abilities of your mages. I
only meant to point out a way for the individuals who had posted so many
queries about elves and healing to find an easy way to accomplish their
objective without complicated "hours spent sleeping/meditating" calculations,
without worrying wether their elven characters were near a source, or in
danger of dying from sleeping too long. I don't even like elves. But if
someone posts something on the list wondering how their elves can heal
themselves of wounds and other, more specific,forms of damage, I would like
to point out an easier way that to make them keep track of how many hours
they spent doing this or that, or their chances of soming out of this or that
tance- or coma- like state, I would like to inform them of a possible option
that they may have overlookled. If they are aware of those resources, but
don't want to include them in their campaigns,that's fine. If they're not
aware of them, but would like to buy a copy and take a look, then that's
okay, too. Or, they could be looking for a campaign-specific way to
facilitate elven healing. I really don't know what they had in mind, I just
knew that I had thought of an easier, quicker, and less time-consuming way to
resolve their quandries, and felt that I would be remiss in my role as a
mailing list member if I did not make a contribution to the discussion.

[JLR881@aol.co]

And besides, the Complete Necromancer's Handbook is supposed to be restricted
to NPC's only.