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Ed Stark
11-08-1997, 10:28 PM
The question about the 1998 Spring Catalog prompts me to send this message
to the list as well, regarding TRIBES OF THE HEARTLESS WASTES, the campaign
expansion for Vosgaard.

Okay, as many of you already know, in order to put out TRIBES without
raising the cost, we simply HAD to get it out of that box format. Plus,
Vosgaard isn't a place like any other on Cerilia--there just aren't two or
three dozen suitable PC realms, and we think DMs WON'T want their players
to read through NPC-only information, so we made the following changes to
the format:

*This is a two-book set, one 32-page Player's Chronicle and one 64-page
DM's Guidebook.
The PC contains several realms that we (the author, myself, and the BR
group--including Anne Brown, Harold Johnson, and, of course, Carrie Bebris)
thought appropriate for player character rulership. It also includes
information players should know about Vosgaard (the history, the culture,
etc.) and SOME info about the other realms (some rumors, legends, and false
information is included).
The DG describes the rest of the realms in varying ways. There are NPC,
Awnshegh, and Monster realms (like Molochev, the Raven's Domain, and Kal
Kalathor), but there are also "Wild Lands" that have never been tamed.
These realms, such as areas like the Mistmoor, the Icemarch, and the Battle
Fens, have descriptions addressed to the DM as places heroes can go to
adventure or forge their own realms. The DM and the players will have to
use the information presented in the BR Basic Set to create their own
domains and set their own province levels (it's pretty easy, as most of you
know), and the DM has plenty of legends and rumors to set up adventures in
those areas with.

*There is only passing information on Torova Temylatin.
I intend to cover "Fish Island" in more detail in later product--and not
much later. There are a few hints, but you'll just have to trust me ...

*There are fewer war cards.
We tried to cut costs enough to include a full set of war cards, but it
just wasn't possible. So, instead, we focused on creating all the "generic"
Vos units you should need, plus a few notable units of Vos and monsters.
We're looking at 32 war cards. Sorry if this doesn't seem like enough, but,
honestly, I think you'd rather we cut the numbers down than out altogether.

*These books have a LOT more interesting info crammed into them.
This is my opinion. I wrote HAVENS and liked both CITIES and RUINS. I
think Vosgaard, word for word, has more information you, as players and DMs
in the BIRTHRIGHT campaign, than any of our other expansions. We cut down
some of the components, but we made every effort to cram as much cool info
into these books as we could. They'll be out next month; you'll have to let
me know if we succeeded.

*BTW, in my opinion, this book has the best art of all the BR stuff so far.
Tony Szczudlo did the cover (and had a lot more freedom than he's every had
before) and he and Randy Post (I believe) did ALL the interior B&W artwork.
It looks FANTASTIC (I just saw it again on its way through layout).

Hope this answers upcoming questions ...


-- ->-- ->-- ->--@
Ed Stark
Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
Asst. Brand Manager, BIRTHRIGHT/GREYHAWK/MARVEL Group
TSR Website: http://www.tsrinc.com
(soon to be http://www.tsr.com)

Craig Greeson
11-09-1997, 01:44 AM
Ed Stark wrote:

> The question about the 1998 Spring Catalog prompts me to send this message
> to the list as well, regarding TRIBES OF THE HEARTLESS WASTES, the campaign
> expansion for Vosgaard.



> *This is a two-book set, one 32-page Player's Chronicle and one 64-page
> DM's Guidebook.
>
>
> *These books have a LOT more interesting info crammed into them.
> This is my opinion. I wrote HAVENS and liked both CITIES and RUINS. I
> think Vosgaard, word for word, has more information you, as players and DMs
> in the BIRTHRIGHT campaign, than any of our other expansions.

Ed,
This sounds like it is going to be a great product. I love the 3 expansions that
have already come out, but I agree with your implication that they could have had
even more "usable" information in them than they did. The decision to not have an
adventure in HotGB was a good one. I enjoyed the adventures in the first 2, but
they took up a big chunk of the product's space. This space could have been
particularly well used in the Cities of the Sun expansion which, unfortunately, had
so many realms and so few available pages that Rich Baker could only devote a single
page to several of them. The concept of having 1 book for PCs and 1 for the DM
sounds good, as long as there is some "meaty" info. in the PCs book. IMHO, I'd much
rather have an accessory with maximum game info. rather than something with lots of
full page artwork and numerous separate insert cards. I can't wait to get my hands
on it (that goes for the Book of Priestcraft as well - you're sure it shipped,
right?).

Regards and Keep Up the Great Work
Craig Greeson

Eric Tighe
11-09-1997, 04:53 AM
EWW, AHH, cna't wait, hey santa you listening
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ed Stark
To: birthright@MPGN.COM
Date: Saturday, November 08, 1997 5:49 PM
Subject: [BIRTHRIGHT] - Tribes of the Heartless Wastes


>The question about the 1998 Spring Catalog prompts me to send this message
>to the list as well, regarding TRIBES OF THE HEARTLESS WASTES, the campaign
>expansion for Vosgaard.
>
>Okay, as many of you already know, in order to put out TRIBES without
>raising the cost, we simply HAD to get it out of that box format. Plus,
>Vosgaard isn't a place like any other on Cerilia--there just aren't two or
>three dozen suitable PC realms, and we think DMs WON'T want their players
>to read through NPC-only information, so we made the following changes to
>the format:
>
>*This is a two-book set, one 32-page Player's Chronicle and one 64-page
>DM's Guidebook.
> The PC contains several realms that we (the author, myself, and the BR
>group--including Anne Brown, Harold Johnson, and, of course, Carrie Bebris)
>thought appropriate for player character rulership. It also includes
>information players should know about Vosgaard (the history, the culture,
>etc.) and SOME info about the other realms (some rumors, legends, and false
>information is included).
> The DG describes the rest of the realms in varying ways. There are NPC,
>Awnshegh, and Monster realms (like Molochev, the Raven's Domain, and Kal
>Kalathor), but there are also "Wild Lands" that have never been tamed.
>These realms, such as areas like the Mistmoor, the Icemarch, and the Battle
>Fens, have descriptions addressed to the DM as places heroes can go to
>adventure or forge their own realms. The DM and the players will have to
>use the information presented in the BR Basic Set to create their own
>domains and set their own province levels (it's pretty easy, as most of you
>know), and the DM has plenty of legends and rumors to set up adventures in
>those areas with.
>
>*There is only passing information on Torova Temylatin.
> I intend to cover "Fish Island" in more detail in later product--and not
>much later. There are a few hints, but you'll just have to trust me ...
>
>*There are fewer war cards.
> We tried to cut costs enough to include a full set of war cards, but it
>just wasn't possible. So, instead, we focused on creating all the "generic"
>Vos units you should need, plus a few notable units of Vos and monsters.
>We're looking at 32 war cards. Sorry if this doesn't seem like enough, but,
>honestly, I think you'd rather we cut the numbers down than out altogether.
>
>*These books have a LOT more interesting info crammed into them.
> This is my opinion. I wrote HAVENS and liked both CITIES and RUINS. I
>think Vosgaard, word for word, has more information you, as players and DMs
>in the BIRTHRIGHT campaign, than any of our other expansions. We cut down
>some of the components, but we made every effort to cram as much cool info
>into these books as we could. They'll be out next month; you'll have to let
>me know if we succeeded.
>
>*BTW, in my opinion, this book has the best art of all the BR stuff so far.
>Tony Szczudlo did the cover (and had a lot more freedom than he's every had
>before) and he and Randy Post (I believe) did ALL the interior B&W artwork.
>It looks FANTASTIC (I just saw it again on its way through layout).
>
>Hope this answers upcoming questions ...
>
>
> -- ->-- ->-- ->--@
>Ed Stark
>Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
>Asst. Brand Manager, BIRTHRIGHT/GREYHAWK/MARVEL Group
>TSR Website: http://www.tsrinc.com
>(soon to be http://www.tsr.com)
>************************************************** *************************
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>

voelkman
11-11-1997, 06:51 AM
Ed Stark wrote:

>*There are fewer war cards.
> We tried to cut costs enough to include a full set of war cards, but it
>just wasn't possible. So, instead, we focused on creating all the "generic"
>Vos units you should need, plus a few notable units of Vos and monsters.
>We're looking at 32 war cards. Sorry if this doesn't seem like enough, but,
>honestly, I think you'd rather we cut the numbers down than out altogether.

Hey Ed

Gee, as I am producing warcards myself I would be eager to see the
missing warcards
on the BR-homepage. It would be sad to waste these by putting them into
an old, dusty box in your cellar because they were of no use in TotHW.

Please, please (really cute little eyes) PLEASE!

Best,

Manni

Ken & Mary
11-11-1997, 03:24 PM
voelkman wrote:

> Gee, as I am producing warcards myself I would be eager to see the
> missing warcards
> on the BR-homepage. It would be sad to waste these by putting them into
> an old, dusty box in your cellar because they were of no use in TotHW.

> Manni

Mannie if it is convenient I would like to see some of the WARCARDS you
designed. Please respond by Email.

Thanks,
Ken (ke-mar@pacbell.net)

Ed Stark
11-11-1997, 05:20 PM
At 08:51 AM 11/11/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Ed Stark wrote:
>
>>*There are fewer war cards.
>> We tried to cut costs enough to include a full set of war cards, but it
>>just wasn't possible. So, instead, we focused on creating all the "generic"
>>Vos units you should need, plus a few notable units of Vos and monsters.
>>We're looking at 32 war cards. Sorry if this doesn't seem like enough, but,
>>honestly, I think you'd rather we cut the numbers down than out altogether.
>
>Hey Ed
>
>Gee, as I am producing warcards myself I would be eager to see the
>missing warcards
>on the BR-homepage. It would be sad to waste these by putting them into
>an old, dusty box in your cellar because they were of no use in TotHW.
>

When I said we didn't include more than 32 war cards, I meant we didn't
MAKE more than 32 war cards for TRIBES. Sorry I was unclear. What this
really amounts to is that you don't have lots of copies of individual
units--and fewer named units or really wierd ones from other packs. You'll
notice, for example, that the basic box includes 3 Anuirean Elite Infantry
and 6 Anuirean Pikemen. Well, in TRIBES, you get 1 Vos Elite Infantry unit
and 1 Vos Pikemen. We did include a few "named" units, like the Molochev
Sarveklos, the Sword Rust Pikes, and the Rovarsski Varsk Riders but, again,
there's one of each in most cases.

We chose variety over depth. Hopefully, you can use index cards or other
war cards to reflect multiple units of the same type.

-- ->-- ->-- ->--@
Ed Stark
Game Designer, Wizards of the Coast/TSR Division
Asst. Brand Manager, BIRTHRIGHT/GREYHAWK/MARVEL Group
TSR Website: http://www.tsrinc.com
(soon to be http://www.tsr.com)