Paladins in birthright

[Bearcat]

>Ok, this brings up the question, how the heck does a Vos become a
>Paladin. And before anyone says that they can't be a Paladin, I refer
>you to Teodor Profiev, on page 74 of the Rulebook.
>
>Tripp

I believe that divine intervention would be a good explanation. After all, a
god will not turn down those of his own race who are worthy, he may make
exceptions for the truly worthy from other races.

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[Jan P. M. Arnoldus]

Tripp Elliott wrote:

> Jan P. M. Arnoldus wrote:
> > Stuff about Paladins
>
> Ok, this brings up the question, how the heck does a Vos become a
> Paladin. And before anyone says that they can't be a Paladin, I refer
>
> you to Teodor Profiev, on page 74 of the Rulebook.
>
> Tripp
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> It seems I've stirred a rat's nest with my original post about the
paladins.
I had just set out to provide some quick hard upper limits to the number
of paladins which could at any time be walking around in Cerillia.
For those special cases like the Vos paladin you have to understand that
those are special cases every rule has it's exceptions.
The way I worked it was like this. I took the post about the population
of Anuire in Digest 181 (yes it's a while back). This post assigned an
average population to a province of a given size and then counted all
those provinces in Anuire. It arrived at a figure of 2623000 for the
population of Anuire. I repeated this for Khinasi to come to a figure of
1562000 for the Khinasi population.
Since I didn't want to spent to much time on the subject I didn't
subtract for the elven, dwarven and humanoid provinces which of course
introduces an error factor.
I reasoned that when somebody is born yoo throw 3d6 six times to
determine his/her stats. Ofcourse blooded characters use a more
advantageous approach but since they constitute only 1 in 1000 of the
populace that isn't to much of a distortion.
By just rolling 3d6 six times the chances for rolling a paladin are 1 in
518 for Anuireans and 1 in 888 for Khinasi characters.
So we arrive at the conclusion that only 5000 Anuireans and 1750 Khinasi
qualify for paladinhood.
Then I totalled the number of temple holdings per religion for two
regions and took only the religions that allow paladins into account to
divide the qualifiers:
like this Anuire 5000
Khinasi 1750
Haelyn 182 3000
Halaia 31 475
Cuiraecen 72 1200
Avani 83 1275
Nesirie 48 750

As I said in my original post this is the absolute maximum of paladins,
everybody who qualifies converts to an apropiate faith and becomes a
paladin.

If you take into account the relative importance of all religions it
changes to
Anuire Khinasi
Haelyn 182, 31
Cuiraecen 72, 37
Erik 12, -
Nesirie 48, 38
Ruornil 10, 2
Sera 56, 22
Avani 32, 83
Eloele 11, -
Laerme -, 23
Kriesha -, -
Belinik 12+, 25 (includes Azrai )
Others 22, 11
TOTAL 457, 272

Giving
Anuire 5000
Haelyn 1990
Cuiraecen 790
Nesirie 525

Khinasi 1750
Haelyn 200
Avani 535

If we then say well we don't like completely stupid and clumsy paladins
(or INT and DEX also minimal 9) you have to multiply the current figures
by 0.55
(Haelyn 1095, Cuireacen 435, Nesirie 290, Halaia 110, Avani 295, Total
2225)

Then there is the matter of personality as somebody else pointed out not
everybody who qualifies has the personality to want the job, this
modifier has to be a DMs personal choice ofcourse but I would suggest a
maximum of 50% (my own choice would lie more at the 25% mark)
At 50% there are around a 1000 paladins in Cerillia
at 25% only 500.


The reason all this actually started was to see how many paladins were
around and if a paladin order for a faith would be tied to a certain
temple or be a seperate entity from the temples. Well the numbers show
that if you want to create an order you better go for the seperate
entity approach.

Jan Arnoldus

[Colleen Simpson]

Teodor Profiev is listed on page 74 of the Ruins of Empire book. Perhaps=
the Vos are able to become paladins, although the gods most likely to =
be worshipped and most likely to include holy warriors in their ranks app=
ear to be Kriesha and Belinik. Eric (Iraikhan) may accept rangers as his=
warrior but does not seem likely to utilise armoured knights in his serv=
ice - he may, DMs differ in their house rules, but he doesn't seem likely=
to. Ruornil and Sera (both named Lirovka in the Vos language) may have =
been confused at some time. In Ruronil's case priests are rare, let alon=
e any other special orders (and, again the god's use of armoured knights =
seems unlikely given the portfolio) and in Sera's case subterfuge and the=
outmaneuvering of an opponent in trade and political relations seems the=
more likely plan of battle than a direct confrontation of arms. Eloele =
(Elyal) also does not seem to favour the direct confrontation of arms and=
would more than likely use thieves if she had an order other than priest=
s in her domain. All in all, that leaves us with Kriesha (for whom battl=
e would be an ideal way of weeding out the weak) and Belinik (for whom =
battle and the raising of great warriors is an end in itself). It is har=
d to imagine that paladins of these two gods would embrace the qualities =
that 'standard' PHB paladins must have - alignment being a major factor =
here and, if they do have warriors in their service, the usual paladin =
abilities would probably not be appropriate or would be so tainted by the=
outlook of the deities they serve that they would not truly be appropria=
te for PC use. Teodor may have risen to his position via a set of except=
ional (and exceptionally well role-played) set of circumstances. His bac=
kground suggests this. It all seems to come down to DM discretion when =
someone chooses to play a character not normally allowed by the rules.

[AMagie666@aol.co]

As an Aurthurian nut, I have to point out that ONLY Arthur, Galahad, and
Lancelot were ever Paladins.(Lance lost his, Aurther is a paladin only in the
loosest way) Galahad is the the ONLY real Paladin.(Only he is pure of heart
and has the strength and blessing of god, Percival lacks the blessing.)

[Chrys murphy]

Percival may have lacked the blessing of god, but he had the heart and spirit
that counted.

AMagie666@aol.com wrote:

> As an Aurthurian nut, I have to point out that ONLY Arthur, Galahad, and
> Lancelot were ever Paladins.(Lance lost his, Aurther is a paladin only in the
> loosest way) Galahad is the the ONLY real Paladin.(Only he is pure of heart
> and has the strength and blessing of god, Percival lacks the blessing.)
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[Paul Lefebvre]

AMagie666@aol.com wrote:

> As an Aurthurian nut, I have to point out that ONLY Arthur, Galahad,
> and
> Lancelot were ever Paladins.(Lance lost his, Aurther is a paladin only
> in the
> loosest way) Galahad is the the ONLY real Paladin.(Only he is pure of
> heart
> and has the strength and blessing of god, Percival lacks the
> blessing.)
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In the 1st ed. Legends and Lore book, Arthur was a 14th lvl paladin and
5th lvl bard, Galahad was a 20th lvl paladin, Lancelot was a 20th lvl
paladin, and yes, the rest were either knights of renown or knights of
quality.

Paul L.

[est@lix.intercom.e]

>Percival may have lacked the blessing of god, but he had the heart and spirit
>that counted.

Percival was no more -and no less- than a LG fighter. Hey, we all love
Percival and in our hearts we consider him a paladin, but it is not our
choice, but God's.

Agis