Ruler of two domains

[Vicente]

Imagine we have someone who rules two or more domains. How would GB and RP would be accounted for them? It makes sense to have GB separated for each domain, but for RP, I'm not sure what is the correct approach. Any ideas?

Regards,

Vicente

[Thelandrin]

Well, you know what my viewpoint is on that. Both domains are separate sources of GB & RP, but you still can't collect more RP than your bloodline will allow.

[Vicente]

Sounds like the more reasonable idea, but how do you decide how many RP you get from each domain if you are limited by your bloodline? Freely? Or tied to your actions? (you did more on Domain X, so you have to get more RP on Domain X).

[Magian]

The term domain is generic to this discussion as it could include non-landed domains. What I am assuming is that the domains in question are realms or landed domains. Along these lines I'd simply add the provinces as if they were part of the original domain and even in the case of non-landed add the holdings to the original domain. Even if they are separated by another realm that is how I'd interpret it. Thus, the regent only gets the normal amount of actions that all regents get to reflect the principles of "The Prince" by Machiavelli. The RP I would doubt would have separate pools. And in principle only need to be added as if part of one whole domain and divided up by the player to allocate to actions accordingly. The same could be said for the GB, but a separate treasury so to speak could be implemented in order to reflect the materials of each location if that is wanted by the parties involved playing out this example of gameplay. As for any titles to reflect being lord over both domains, simply add them to the list behind the character's name and have notes delineating what each title includes. Otherwise for optimum RP income and actions to build up both locations I'd suggest a vassal regent for one or the other. Even if your bloodline can gain the income from both domains your actions are still limited. Then again the problems of having a vassal come into play. I hope this helps.

[Arjan]

i remembered i had this issue once in a pbem, where i had two different domains (one covert domain)
the RP was indeed limited by my bloodline like Thelandrin said. but one pool (regency is ruler tied, not domain tied)
So it doesnt really matter from which domain it came.. max is max

each domain had its own GB pool.

when it came to domain actions.. a regent simply got 3.. no more.. (you can not do more then you normally can)
so two domains, still only 3 actions.
but thats when a lieut comes in handy, or a pupet vassal. If treated as lieut, you can have a total of 5 actions, but each lieut can only perform an action in the responsible domain ofc.

[Thelandrin]

In Empire's Twilight, Ghorien Hiriele runs both the HOT and a Mieren colony, so the Mieren colony and the HOT keep their GB incomes separate and pool their RP income for Ghorien Hiriele.

[Vicente]

Well, to give more insight on the question, this is for a Birthright management tool I'm working on. While this case may not be very common, I have to think a reasonable way to handle it :)

So it seems the reasonable approach is GB are banked at Domain level, but RP are banked at Ruler level (I don't think the domain been landed or non-landed makes any difference here, maybe I'm missing something?).

[Magian]

I think that's right. What I was implying was that it doesn't make a difference and the only way I could see someone thinking that it would is through land separation, when as I suggested even that doesn't matter really. When it comes to GB separation that may be an unnecessary complication. Since the regent has access to the GB pool like they do the RP pool being able to draw out of them and implement them anywhere they choose localizing province or holding treasuries may be more troublesome than its worth. Especially when occupation happens and tracking where all the GB all are at any given time. It also makes those locations more juicy targets and may add action to the domain play of moving GB around. If that's your thing, go for it. Those are just the first few things I could think of.

[Dyark]

Well, to give more insight on the question, this is for a Birthright management tool I'm working on. While this case may not be very common, I have to think a reasonable way to handle it :)

So it seems the reasonable approach is GB are banked at Domain level, but RP are banked at Ruler level (I don't think the domain been landed or non-landed makes any difference here, maybe I'm missing something?).

I had the same issue on my part. I decided that GB is domain and RP is regent, anyway you get your Rp on a turn base and you don't get more than you bloodline so this thinking was easy !

The GB part was a little more complicated, a Magian says, you can either pool them per action or the regent decide the source of the gb spending. For me I keep them seperated so the regent decide which treasury he wants to spend his GB. Of course the regent can take 1 gb in one domain and 1 gb in the other for the total of 2GB.

the physical location of the GB doesn't have to stay at the specific domain, everything can be pool at the same place.

[Vicente]

Mmm, well I think I will keep both accounts separated for GBs, and the regent will have to use the Grant action to move money from one account to the other.

As for actions, I have not thought all the cases, but I think it is always clear which Domain performs them, so it should be clear which treasury makes the expending (as I say, there may be corner cases I have not thought yet there).

[AndrewTall]

It depends a little on how you interpret regency, if it's a personal thing then one pool works (and keeps the admin down).

GB however are probably seen as 'domain property' not 'regent property' by the members of the domain. I'd expect Ghorien's guild members to start complaining if their guildmaster routinely siphoned money away from the guild to subsidise the colony - or for that matter if they weren't getting regular action spend, an absentee landlord is rarely appreciated!

I note that I'd see the same issue as occuring whether the two domains are run as a single 'conglomerate domain' or two separate domains - but if the two domains have separate public faces then their internal cultures are likely also stronger making dissent more likely and justifying the extra admin.

[arpig2]

The way I handled this in one campaign where a particular regent had a habit of collecting scattered small domains rather than trying to establish a larger centralized one (damnable chaotic types!!) was to have a single RP pool but separate GB pools.

The rationale for this was that however RP were defined, they represented the prestige, power, authority, and/or ability of the regent to act. My thinking was that if the Count of Nonesuch also happened to be the Baron of Elsewhere, then his prestige, etc. would be increased across the board, he would be the holder of both titles wherever he happened to be.

The GB, however, represent the treasuries of each individual domain. The regent could use the GB from one domain on another domain, but had to use a Finance action to transfer the funds from one treasury to another. It was rather a lot of work for the player, but making their life easier isn't really the DM's job, is it? <WEG>

[Vicente]

Thanks for all the input :) I'll leave it as RPs at character level and GBs at domain level (part of this is coded now).