[BIRTHRIGHT] Rapunzel [Archive]

ConjurerDragon

06-18-2003, 04:19 PM

Gary schrieb:

> I was reading the story of Rapunzel the other day (actually, it was a
> sort
> of modernist retelling of the fable from a neo-feminist/lesbian POV--not
> that it really matters) and something occurred to me: Rapunzel is an
> ersheghlien. At least she would be if portrayed in BR terms. That said,
> are there any other characters from fable or myth that you guys think
> would
> be apt or amusing to portray in BR terms?
> Gary

Rumpelstilzchen? ;-)
bye
Michael

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ConjurerDragon

06-18-2003, 04:19 PM

Trithemius

06-19-2003, 02:55 AM

Gary says:
> I was reading the story of Rapunzel the other day (actually,
> it was a sort of modernist retelling of the fable from a
> neo-feminist/lesbian POV--not that it really matters) and
> something occurred to me: Rapunzel is an ersheghlien. At
> least she would be if portrayed in BR terms. That said, are
> there any other characters from fable or myth that you guys
> think would be apt or amusing to portray in BR terms?

All of them!

No really ;)

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Lawgiver

06-19-2003, 02:59 AM

Would the "big bad wolf" of little red riding hood be an awnsheghlin? I mean how many wolves have the powers of speech?

Magian

06-19-2003, 04:17 AM

Not sure if this counts as fable or myth but what about Beorn from the
Hobbit.

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Lawgiver

06-19-2003, 04:18 AM

It originated as one of the Grimm Borther's "fairy tales."

geeman

06-19-2003, 06:59 AM

At 04:59 AM 6/19/2003 +0200, Lawgiver wrote:

> Would the "big bad wolf" of little red riding hood be an
> awnsheghlin? I mean how many wolves have the powers of speech?

If it`s the same wolf who had a taste for hog triplets then it might be
just the one....

Gary

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irdeggman

06-19-2003, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by Lawgiver

Would the "big bad wolf" of little red riding hood be an awnsheghlin? I mean how many wolves have the powers of speech?

I think that the "obvious" explaination is being missed - that little red riding hood is actually a druid. Perhaps she is really "The Little Red Riding Hood", an awnshegh of unspeakable power whose exploits have been translated into "fables" to avoid bringing down her wrath. What she did to that poor defenseless wolf.;)

geeman

06-20-2003, 10:55 AM

At 09:22 PM 6/18/2003 -0600, The Magian wrote:

>Not sure if this counts as fable or myth but what about Beorn from the
>Hobbit.

Is he an ersheghlien or a "plain old" werebear?

Gary

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Birthright-L

06-20-2003, 03:25 PM

Beorn and his people aren`t Lycanthropes, they are shapechangers.

----Original Message Follows----
From: Gary <geeman@SOFTHOME.NET>
At 09:22 PM 6/18/2003 -0600, The Magian wrote:
>Not sure if this counts as fable or myth but what about Beorn from the
>Hobbit.

Is he an ersheghlien or a "plain old" werebear?

Gary

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geeman

06-20-2003, 05:23 PM

At 11:09 AM 6/20/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Beorn and his people aren`t Lycanthropes, they are shapechangers.

That`s JRRT`s term, sure. In the D&D sense, though, would he be anything
more than an advanced werebear? Maybe even one with character levels?

Gary

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Birthright-L

06-20-2003, 05:23 PM

Yeah, he would be a druid.

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>Beorn and his people aren`t Lycanthropes, they are shapechangers.

That`s JRRT`s term, sure. In the D&D sense, though, would he be anything
more than an advanced werebear? Maybe even one with character levels?

Gary

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kgauck

06-20-2003, 07:35 PM

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From: "Anthony Edwards" <anthony_c_edwards@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:09 AM

> Beorn and his people aren`t Lycanthropes, they are shapechangers.

A distinction I don`t recognize in BR. AFAIC, Lycanthropes are a PrC of
Ruornil`s druids. The ultimate protector of the sacred places and source
manifestation in the wild.

Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com

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destowe

06-20-2003, 07:41 PM

They could be natural weres instead of inflicted weres.

They would have more control over their shaping and that extra skill.

Not all weres are cursed, for some it is the guardian of the family/city/whatever.

Birthright-L

06-20-2003, 09:08 PM

Beorn was a druid....a keeper of animals and the wild. He was not a
werebear. I wasn`t talking about Birthright.

----Original Message Follows----
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> Beorn and his people aren`t Lycanthropes, they are shapechangers.

A distinction I don`t recognize in BR. AFAIC, Lycanthropes are a PrC of
Ruornil`s druids. The ultimate protector of the sacred places and source
manifestation in the wild.

Kenneth Gauck

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Lawgiver

06-20-2003, 11:34 PM

The origins of Lycanthropes in Birthright interests me. I started a new thread to avoid take this one on a wild tangent :

http://www.birthright.net/read.php?TID=1745

Trithemius

06-20-2003, 11:59 PM

Anthony Edwards says:
> Beorn was a druid....a keeper of animals and the wild. He
> was not a werebear. I wasn`t talking about Birthright.

Not talking about BR?
But that`s... IMPOSSIBLE! :D

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Lawgiver

06-21-2003, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by Trithemius

Anthony Edwards says:
> Beorn was a druid....a keeper of animals and the wild. He
> was not a werebear. I wasn`t talking about Birthright.

Not talking about BR?
But that`s... IMPOSSIBLE! :D

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Yep. That's going to cost you 20 HP (posts) for heresy. ;)

Birthright-L

06-21-2003, 03:44 AM

How dare I!!!!.....wait a second........<blinks>

Nevermind.

Tony

P.S. in Birthright I could see him as a Druid with a couple levels of
Barbarian and Ranger thrown in.

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Anthony Edwards says:
> Beorn was a druid....a keeper of animals and the wild. He
> was not a werebear. I wasn`t talking about Birthright.

Not talking about BR?
But that`s... IMPOSSIBLE! :D

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geeman

06-22-2003, 02:20 PM

At 06:43 AM 6/22/2003 -0600, The Magian wrote:

>How about a druid and his focus is on shapechanging?

Does he ever take on any form other than a bear? He has, apparently, many
animals enthralled, but those could be nature oriented cohorts/followers,
not the result of Animal Friendship or charms. Ranger levels I think are
appropriate, but druid levels seems a bit of a stretch.

Gary

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Magian

06-22-2003, 02:20 PM

>>Beorn and his people aren`t Lycanthropes, they are shapechangers.
>
>That`s JRRT`s term, sure. In the D&D sense, though, would he be anything
>more than an advanced werebear? Maybe even one with character levels?

How about a druid and his focus is on shapechanging?

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Birthright-L

06-22-2003, 04:10 PM

Didn`t my post on this go through? I had mentioned three days ago (two day
ago?) that Beorn was a druid (though they don`t exist in Middle Earth) with
maybe a level of Ranger and Barbarian thrown in here and there.

Tony

----Original Message Follows----
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>>Beorn and his people aren`t Lycanthropes, they are shapechangers.
>
>That`s JRRT`s term, sure. In the D&D sense, though, would he be anything
>more than an advanced werebear? Maybe even one with character levels?

How about a druid and his focus is on shapechanging?

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Lawgiver

06-22-2003, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by Birthright-L
AFAIC, Lycanthropes are a PrC of
Ruornil`s druids.

Ok, forgive my ignorance on webhead lingo. What does "AFAIC" stand for?
wait I think it just hit me... For the rest of you who share in my ignorance:

"As far as I'm concerned"

Magian

06-22-2003, 11:27 PM

>
>Didn`t my post on this go through? I had mentioned three days ago (two day
>ago?) that Beorn was a druid (though they don`t exist in Middle Earth) with
>maybe a level of Ranger and Barbarian thrown in here and there.
>
>
>Tony

Um yes but some of us work 32 hours on friday and saturday. It also seems
on friday and saturday that the mailing list gets a boost of activity with
me having 100+ messages to go through. Thus I answer them as I go. After I
sent my message I saw yours above.

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Magian

06-22-2003, 11:27 PM

>Ok, forgive my ignorance on webhead lingo. What does "AFAIC" stand for?
>wait I think it just hit me... For the rest of you who share in my
>ignorance:
>
>"As far as I`m concerned"

As far as I`m concerned it is a valid question and I thank you for asking.
Even the post using SW for shadow world was a bit difficult to figure out
with no reference but context of its usage to refer to.

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