[BIRTHRIGHT] rivers question

[Lord Grave]

Does anyone know the names about southern two of the four rivers that go into the Gulf of Coeranys, the one that flows between Aerenwe and Osoerde and the one between Osoerde and Coeranys?

How about the one between Tuarhievel and Cariele? It is not named in the PS of Tuarhievel.

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[Trevyr]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birthright Roleplaying Game Discussion
> [mailto:BIRTHRIGHT-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On Behalf Of Milos Rasic

> Does anyone know the names about southern two of the four rivers
> that go into the Gulf of Coeranys, the one that flows between
> Aerenwe and Osoerde and the one between Osoerde and Coeranys?

The one between Osoerde and Aerenwe is the Berendor River (BoP, p32, left column, middle of page). The one between Osoerde and Coeranys I have occasionally called the Sunken River, but as far as I know there is no official designation.

> How about the one between Tuarhievel and Cariele? It is not named
> in the PS of Tuarhievel.

As far as I know, there is nothing official about this one, either. How about the River Carel, after the Andu of House Carel?

Mark V.

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[ryancaveney]

On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Mark VanderMeulen wrote:

> > How about the one between Tuarhievel and Cariele? It is not named
> > in the PS of Tuarhievel.
>
> As far as I know, there is nothing official about this one, either.
> How about the River Carel, after the Andu of House Carel?

Given its position, this one especially ought to have two different names:
the human one and the Sidhelien one. As a general principle, looking
around the map (Anuire in particular), what fraction of place names do
people think are original elven names, and what fraction newer human
names? We do know at least one place with two sets of names (Mhellivene
in Cariele, which the elves call something like "fool`s passage") -- what
other sorts of names do people think might/would have been retained or
changed over time?


Ryan Caveney

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[Lord Grave]

> > > How about the one between Tuarhievel and Cariele? It is not named
> > > in the PS of Tuarhievel.
> >
> > As far as I know, there is nothing official about this one, either.
> > How about the River Carel, after the Andu of House Carel?
>
> Given its position, this one especially ought to have two different names:
> the human one and the Sidhelien one. As a general principle, looking
> around the map (Anuire in particular), what fraction of place names do
> people think are original elven names, and what fraction newer human
> names? We do know at least one place with two sets of names (Mhellivene
> in Cariele, which the elves call something like "fool`s passage") -- what
> other sorts of names do people think might/would have been retained or
> changed over time?
>

Bevaldruor = Shieldhaven

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[Eosin the Red]

>>>What other sorts of names do people think might/would have been retained or changed over time?

There are also Old Andu (Caercas = Highcastle) names mixed in with that lot to throw you off. The goblin names seem easy to spot.

Eosin

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[Trevyr]

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:BIRTHRIGHT-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On Behalf Of Ryan B. Caveney

> Given its position, this one especially ought to have two different names:
> the human one and the Sidhelien one.

If you want an elvish name, how about Afon Ymresymiad. I generally use Welsh
for Elvish in BR; this means "Argument River."

Mark V.

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[Peter Lubke]

On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 08:48, Mark VanderMeulen wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Birthright Roleplaying Game Discussion
> [mailto:BIRTHRIGHT-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM]On Behalf Of Milos Rasic

> Does anyone know the names about southern two of the four rivers
> that go into the Gulf of Coeranys, the one that flows between
> Aerenwe and Osoerde and the one between Osoerde and Coeranys?

The one between Osoerde and Aerenwe is the Berendor River (BoP, p32,
left column, middle of page). The one between Osoerde and Coeranys
I have occasionally called the Sunken River, but as far as I know
there is no official designation.

How about the Spirit river (from Spiritsend ?)

> How about the one between Tuarhievel and Cariele? It is not named
> in the PS of Tuarhievel.

As far as I know, there is nothing official about this one, either. How about the River Carel, after the Andu of House Carel?

Mark V.

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[Birthright-L]

In Sword of Roele, the rivers bordering Chimaeron are named.

The one on the border to Coeranys is named "Quatil River" and the one on the
border to Rohrmarch is named "Khurinbyrn River".

IMC, the river between Coeranys and Osoerde is named variously the Eline
river or the Siellode - the later name is older, and comes from the time
when Hope`s Demise was a part of the Sielwode, and the river came out of the
forest.

/Carl

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[Birthright-L]

From: "Ryan B. Caveney" <ryanb@CYBERCOM.NET>

> what fraction of place names do
> people think are original elven names, and what fraction newer human
> names?

I don`t think there should be many sidhelien-sounding names at all. Look at
England (excluding Ireland, Scotland and Wales) and France (Excluding
Brittany) - not many Celtic names survive. The Sidhelien were dire enemies
and never assimilated.

This applies to Cerilia in general. Of course, areas of mixed culture ought
to be different.

Anyway, what does a Sidhelien name sound like? Andurian has a Celtic feel,
but what characterizes the few elvish names in the game? To my ears, they
sound more like conventional fantasy names than anything Celtic.

/Carl

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[ConjurerDragon]

Milos Rasic wrote:

>Does anyone know the names about southern two of the four rivers that go into the Gulf of Coeranys, the one that flows between Aerenwe and Osoerde and the one between Osoerde and Coeranys?
>

> How about the one between Tuarhievel and Cariele? It is not named in the PS of Tuarhievel.
>
Neither in Warlock of the Stonecrowns, despite a nice map of Cariele :-(
Perhaps just an unimportant side-branch of the Ruide River?
bye
Michael Romes

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[kgauck]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Starfox" <stephen_starfox@YAHOO.SE>
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 1:33 AM

> Anyway, what does a Sidhelien name sound like? Andurian has a Celtic feel,
> but what characterizes the few elvish names in the game? To my ears, they
> sound more like conventional fantasy names than anything Celtic.

>From what I can tell, Sidhelien names are less anglicized, more exotic.
Dublin might be found as a place name in modern Anuire, Baile Atha Cliath
would be Sidhe. In Wales, Denbigh might be Anuirean, Clwyd or perhaps
Llangollen would be Sidhe. YMMV.

Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com

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