Roele`s Bloodline.

[geeman]

Before Michael Roele grounded his bloodline to prevent the Gorgon from
committing bloodtheft on him, what do you think his bloodline score and
blood abilities were?

Gary

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[Azazel]

Michael Roele
True (Anduiras): 80+

Confirmed blood abilities:

Battlewise (Major) From the book The Iron Throne.
Courage (Great) From the book The Iron Throne.
Divine Aura (Great) From the book The Iron Throne.
Divine Wrath (Major) From the book The Iron Throne.
Iron Will (Minor) From the book The Iron Throne.

[Birthright-L]

Anduiras, True, 100 most likely. From the novels, he seems to possess at
least Divine Aura and Divine Wrath, likely also Courage (takes some to
attack the Gorgon`s stronghold).

>Before Michael Roele grounded his bloodline to prevent the Gorgon from
>committing bloodtheft on him, what do you think his bloodline score and
>blood abilities were?

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[ryancaveney]

On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Alexis Vasileus wrote:

> likely also Courage (takes some to attack the Gorgon`s stronghold).

That and pretty low Int and Wis. ;) Oh, and a very high Cha to get that
many otherwise sane people to follow you to certain destruction. Note
that Anduiras`s Improved Ability is not Int. =)


Ryan Caveney

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[Azazel]

If i remember correctly there is a passage in the novel where the royal chamberlain states that Roele's troops would never falter in battle even if faced with unsurmountable odds. (Battlewise)

In another passage the chamberlain also states that Michael had been drinking for several days without eating nor sleeping and that only is divine heritage sustained him. (Ironwill)

[Lord Grave]

>
> > Before Michael Roele grounded his bloodline to prevent the Gorgon from
> > committing bloodtheft on him, what do you think his bloodline score and
> > blood abilities were?



Attention, Arjan. Good idea for a poll.

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[Birthright-L]

Dependant on how you say bloodlines run... probably included Regeneration
and possibly Major Regeneration... since his sister slept with the Gorgon,
and upon leaving that encounter, said, "If it were not for the Roele
bloodline, I would be dead," or something to that effect...

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[Azazel]

You are right, i had completly forgotten that passage. I read that novel about 4-5 years ago.
So we now have:

Anduiras, True, 100 most likely.

Battlewise
Courage
Divine Aura
Divine Wrath
Iron Will
Regeneration

[Eosin the Red]

Ryan Wrote:
> That and pretty low Int and Wis. ;) Oh, and a very high Cha to get that many otherwise sane people to follow you to certain destruction. Note that Anduiras`s Improved Ability is not Int. =)

hehehe. I am glad that I am not the only one who thought: damn, if this guys had any brains he would be dangerous. Perhaps Michael got Charisma and Strength but had to take a penalty to wits.

Eosin

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[Birthright-L]

Michael`s big fault was that he did not develop his lands. His economy was
only enough for a small but elite army. If they guy had spent a few years
building his domain under the Birthright rules (or a few decades under a
more conservative system), he could easily have built an army capable of
defeating the Gorgon. Especially since he had by then made the empre bow to
his will, and so could have called for vassal soldiery.

The only reason I can see why Anuire`s economy is in such a shambles is that
the Gorgon culls not only bloodlines but province levels as well when he
does his rampages. Either that, or the current province level limits (10 for
plains) is the result of some major breakthrough in agriculture. Otherwise,
why is the empirte so underdeveloped?



/Carl

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[ConjurerDragon]

William Bolitho wrote:

> Dependant on how you say bloodlines run... probably included Regeneration
> and possibly Major Regeneration... since his sister slept with the
> Gorgon,
> and upon leaving that encounter, said, "If it were not for the Roele
> bloodline, I would be dead," or something to that effect...

That might as well be only the minor Healing ability. The chamberlain
used it to no avail when Michaels wife died in "child"birth.
bye
Michael Romes

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[DanMcSorley]

On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Michael Romes wrote:
> > Dependant on how you say bloodlines run... probably included Regeneration
> > and possibly Major Regeneration... since his sister slept with the
> > Gorgon,
> > and upon leaving that encounter, said, "If it were not for the Roele
> > bloodline, I would be dead," or something to that effect...
>
> That might as well be only the minor Healing ability. The chamberlain
> used it to no avail when Michaels wife died in "child"birth.

But that doesn`t mean Michael Roele had any of those. Bloodline abilities
don`t run in families, but in derivations.
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[ConjurerDragon]

daniel mcsorley wrote:

>On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Michael Romes wrote:
>
>>>Dependant on how you say bloodlines run... probably included Regeneration
>>>and possibly Major Regeneration... since his sister slept with the
>>>Gorgon,
>>>and upon leaving that encounter, said, "If it were not for the Roele
>>>bloodline, I would be dead," or something to that effect...
>>>
>>That might as well be only the minor Healing ability. The chamberlain
>>used it to no avail when Michaels wife died in "child"birth.
>>
>But that doesn`t mean Michael Roele had any of those. Bloodline abilities
>don`t run in families, but in derivations.
>
In some of the novels it is hinted, that certain familys share certain
bloodabilities.
e.g. all members of the Roele family might have Courage (Great) or all
guilders of the Hirele family cannot be fooled in a negotation (Detect Lie).

I like to see it that way and so Michael might share the abilitys of the
other members of the Roele line. So his sisters ability would likely run
in his veins, too.
bye
Michael Romes

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[DanMcSorley]

On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Michael Romes wrote:
> In some of the novels it is hinted, that certain familys share certain
> bloodabilities.
> e.g. all members of the Roele family might have Courage (Great) or all
> guilders of the Hirele family cannot be fooled in a negotation (Detect Lie).
>
> I like to see it that way and so Michael might share the abilitys of the
> other members of the Roele line. So his sisters ability would likely run
> in his veins, too.

The book doesn`t support that. Laera, the only sister we really see,
shows no evidence of Iron Will, Courage, Divine Aura, or Divine Rage, the
abilities attributed to Michael. The younger Boeruine doesn`t show Divine
Rage, even though his father does. Neither do the rules from the original
boxed set. So it`s just wishful thinking.
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Daniel McSorley- mcsorley@cis.ohio-state.edu

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[Peter Lubke]

On Sun, 2003-04-06 at 03:34, daniel mcsorley wrote:
On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Michael Romes wrote:
> > Dependant on how you say bloodlines run... probably included Regeneration
> > and possibly Major Regeneration... since his sister slept with the
> > Gorgon,
> > and upon leaving that encounter, said, "If it were not for the Roele
> > bloodline, I would be dead," or something to that effect...
>
> That might as well be only the minor Healing ability. The chamberlain
> used it to no avail when Michaels wife died in "child"birth.

But that doesn`t mean Michael Roele had any of those. Bloodline abilities
don`t run in families, but in derivations.

I have never seen anything to say that blood abilities do not run in
families. Given that full inheritance of a bloodline comes complete with
a full set of the original blood abilities - and, given that a natural
heir would also be blooded (assuming that the donor was blooded from
birth themselves), it would be consistent to say that the natural heirs
blood abilities prior to gaining the full bloodline of their donor
parent was a sub-set of that parents abilities.

So, in cases where bloodlines are inherited by natural children - it
would be most likely that blood abilities do run in families. (In my
opinion)

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[Peter Lubke]

On Sun, 2003-04-06 at 04:44, daniel mcsorley wrote:
On Sat, 5 Apr 2003, Michael Romes wrote:
> In some of the novels it is hinted, that certain familys share certain
> bloodabilities.
> e.g. all members of the Roele family might have Courage (Great) or all
> guilders of the Hirele family cannot be fooled in a negotation (Detect Lie).
>
> I like to see it that way and so Michael might share the abilitys of the
> other members of the Roele line. So his sisters ability would likely run
> in his veins, too.

The book doesn`t support that. Laera, the only sister we really see,
shows no evidence of Iron Will, Courage, Divine Aura, or Divine Rage, the
abilities attributed to Michael. The younger Boeruine doesn`t show Divine
Rage, even though his father does. Neither do the rules from the original
boxed set. So it`s just wishful thinking.
--
The lack of an ability from the parents sets of abilities does not
support the alternate hypothesis. (that bloodlines do not run in
families)

A child will likely have a weaker blood score and thus fewer abilities.
Even a child with an almost equal blood score due to two blooded parents
will only be allowed a subset of the combined parent abilities.

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[kgauck]

Its likely that bloodlines would be not unlike other heritable traits. Some
traits would be derived from father`s bloodline, some from mother`s, and
some from grandparents which were not manifest in mother or father, but
whose potential were present.

Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com

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[Ariadne]

Originally posted by DanMcSorley

The book doesn`t support that. Laera, the only sister we really see, shows no evidence of Iron Will, Courage, Divine Aura, or Divine Rage, the abilities attributed to Michael. The younger Boeruine doesn`t show Divine Rage, even though his father does. Neither do the rules from the original boxed set. So it`s just wishful thinking.

Oh yes, we see that from Laera, at least Iron Will and Courage. I wouldn't come in my most horrifying dreams to the opinion, I want to sleep with the gorgon. She only could do that, BECAUSE she HAS Iron Will AND Courage (and she survived that because of her regeneration blood ability, but that's nothing new). Maybe a low Int and Wis score is indeed something normal for Roele's blood.

[geeman]

At 08:49 PM 4/5/2003 -0600, Kenneth Gauck wrote:

>Its likely that bloodlines would be not unlike other heritable traits. Some
>traits would be derived from father`s bloodline, some from mother`s, and
>some from grandparents which were not manifest in mother or father, but
>whose potential were present.

There are a few examples that would suggest that not only are bloodlines
heritable in the way that the rules spell out, but that blood abilities are
as well. Several of the Sielehr`s guardians (BoM 80) are descended from a
"patriarch" who has the Long Life blood ability. That doesn`t mean they
didn`t get their blood abilities randomly since there were dozens of scions
involved in the events described in that item`s history, but it could be
taken as evidence. The Blood History ability needn`t be inherited either
necessarily, but it would make sense.

The question is, if one wanted to reflect blood abilities being inherited
how might that be reflected in a set of rules? One could use d4`s and do a
little dominant/recessive, Mendel kind thing, assuming that the stronger
parental bloodline is the dominant allele (bloodallele?) in which a blood
ability is inherited only when the dominant "bloodgene" does not
appear: The Punnett square would then look like:

BB Bb
Bb bb

So Table Xx: Blood Ability Inheritance would be:

1-3 Inherit parent`s blood ability.
4 New blood ability.

New blood abilities might also be the dominant factor, meaning the results
of the table above would be switched. That would probably be more in
keeping with frequency of inheritance as presented in the published materials.

Or one could assume that the "genes" of a blood ability from both parents
are similarly dominant and that new blood abilities appear when the
bloodalleles appear heterozygously on the Punnett square, which would make
Table #Xx look like this:

1 Father`s blood ability.
2-3 New blood ability.
4 Mother`s blood ability.

Of course, there`s no reason to assume that bloodlines really ascribe to
Mendel, and it opens up the concept to the prospect of certain blood
abilities dying out while others get selected more and more successfully,
but it is an amusing possibility.

Gary

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[Trevyr]

> The book doesn`t support that. Laera, the only sister we really see,
> shows no evidence of Iron Will, Courage, Divine Aura, or Divine Rage, the
> abilities attributed to Michael. The younger Boeruine doesn`t show Divine
> Rage, even though his father does. Neither do the rules from the original
> boxed set. So it`s just wishful thinking.

I do think that there is a tendency for members of a family to have similar
blood powers, but I would argue that it is due to shared environment more
than to shared inheritance. That is, offspring tend to learn how to use
their divine blood in part from listening to and watching their parents, and
thus tend to develop similar powers. Also, families that tend to emphasize
weapons training and vigorous activies are more likely to develop a certain
set of skills in their offspring that those who emphasize etiquette and
education or intrigue and fast wits. They determine what kind of power the
growing kid is most likely to "reach for" at the point when their powers are
starting to form and develop.

Needless to say, this pattern can easily be construed as being due to
inheritance, regardless of whether that is its true source.

Mark V.

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