Help,plz!!!

[Druid]

Hi!
I ask you these you this questions cause i dont understand a few things[i am a noob]!
I guess Cold Rider is Arzai,am i right!Could you explain to me how he became a spirit?He supposed to be dead,right?Could you tell me some of the gorgons friends/ enemies?Elves cannot be found elsewhere[except their homelands]?Cold Rider is getting stronger every day?How?I heard that when a blooded character dies,he gets its power,!But if that is happens,then the bloodtheft doesnt work!I mean that the power has to be taken by the guy who killed the blooded character!Thats all!Thanx!

p.s:Sorry for my english but i live in Spai so...some mercy!

[ConjurerDragon]

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> Druid wrote:
> Hi!
>I ask you these you this questions cause i dont understand a few things[i am a noob]!
>I guess Cold Rider is Arzai,am i right!
>
Perhaps. In some texts he is Azrai - "died" at Deismaar. But who would
expect the god of lies and deceit and deception without a backup plan if
he faces all the other gods? Perhpas he had planned to rescue his most
important part into the Shadow World to survive while all the other gods
perished at the trap he sprang at Deismaar? ;-)

But that is just an assumption of me, not in the books.

>Could you explain to me how he became a spirit?He supposed to be dead,right?
>
He could have planned it as I wrote above. Or like mentioned at other
places perhaps all dead have to wander through the Shadow World to get
to their "haven". Dead mortals wander to the plane of their god, perhaps
Azrai instead of being annihilated and distributed among his followers
(through the explosion and the godsblood spread overall) his spirit was
transported to the Shadow World where now he is trapped until he gains
enough power to break free?

>Could you tell me some of the gorgons friends/ enemies?
>
Friends: None.
Enemies: The rest.

>Elves cannot be found elsewhere[except their homelands]?
>
Wrong. Elves or better Sidhelien can be found nearly everywhere where a
forest is. However in large number you will find them only in the
Sidhelien realms, like Tuarhievel, Sielwods and Rhuobhe in Anuire.
Everywhere else, especially in human realms they are reclusive and
perhaps only to be met in the wilderness parts of human realms where
they are unlikely to meet many humans.

>Cold Rider is getting stronger every day?How?I heard that when a blooded character dies,he gets its power,!But if that is happens,then the bloodtheft doesnt work!I mean that the power has to be taken by the guy who killed the blooded character!
>
A scion who commints bloodtheft on another scion does not gett ALL the
power of the other scion, only a small part. The only exception is when
he uses a Tighmaevril weapon to commit bloodtheft. What happens to the
rest of the power of the victim is not described - it could perhaps
really go where the dead souls go as well - to the Shadow World to be
trapped by the Cold Rider who consumes it to grow stronger.

>Thats all!Thanx!
>
>p.s:Sorry for my english but i live in Spai so...some mercy!
>
Spai?
Spay in Germany or Spain?
bye
Michael Romes

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[kgauck]

>I guess Cold Rider is Arzai,am i right!

The creators intentionaly left this unclear so that different DM`s could do
different things with the Cold Rider. Azrai is one of the leading
explanations. IMC, he`s the son of Belinik and Kriesha.

> Could you explain to me how he became a spirit? He supposed
> to be dead,right?

Well, the idea that things that die will become spirits is pretty
widespread. :-)

>Could you tell me some of the gorgons friends/ enemies?

The Gorgon has no real friends. He has clients, including the goblin
kingdom of Markazor and the occupied dwarven kingdom of Mur-Kilad. Some of
the other abominations ignore him, others see him as a rival. In a
conspiratorial campaign, the Gorgon may well have agents placed in key
realms to do his bidding.

Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com

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[Azrai]

Originally posted by Druid
Hi!
I ask you these you this questions cause i dont understand a few things[i am a noob]!
I guess Cold Rider is Arzai,am i right!

Cold Rider is IMO not Azrai. They are several hints that he is just an higher awnsheglien. That already had been discussed here, maybe you find your own version...



p.s:Sorry for my english but i live in Spai so...some mercy!


You are not the only non-native speaker here....

[Druid]

Thanx about your answers but i have a few more:)
1)I would like to learn some more about Roeles death and why Gorgon wants his sword?Has he taken his bloodl abilities?
2)After Roeles death begins a period cevil war,is there any good character who wants the throne?
3)What is the fhilereane?
4)May i learn some more informations about the 12[lost]!Do we know who are they and where they live?
5)What kind of creatured do they have on their armies?6)Are there any organizations on Birthright?Could you give me some ideas of your come created organizations?
Plz reply as soon as you can and sorry again for my weak english!

P.S:I live in Spain!!

[Azrai]

Originally posted by Druid
1)I would like to learn some more about Roeles death and why Gorgon wants his sword?Has he taken his bloodl abilities?

You can get information about that topic in the Sword of Roele Adventure. It is not for shure (but nearly) that the Gorgon killed Roele. Arjan had already an idea of some conspiration story.....



2)After Roeles death begins a period cevil war,is there any good character who wants the throne?

Of course, but the Gorgon is really a hard antagonist.



4)May i learn some more informations about the 12[lost]!Do we know who are they and where they live?

You can find informations e.g. in Blood Span (free download Wizards classic page). Some claim that there are still a few of the Losts around (I will not give any names here to spoil it for players).



6)Are there any organizations on Birthright?Could you give me some ideas of your come created organizations?

There are plenty of organisations, too much to give an overview here. Wait for the upcoming BR Atlas, where you can find some of them.

[irdeggman]

Per the novel "The Iron Throne" the Gorgon did indeed kill Michael Roele. He did not however, gain any of his bloodline. That was denied him by Michael's last act. Basically he sent the power of his blood back into the land. This is all per the book, many have come up with other innovative concepts as to what might have happened instead - but one thing is consistent - the Gorgon did not take Michael's bloodline.

The information in the novel is much better than that contained in the adventure. The Sword of Roele, IMO, was one of the "worst" Birthright adventures. If anyone who has read (and tried to play it) doesn't come to the conclusion that it was a Forgotten Realms adventure that was simply rewritten in an attempt to make a Birthright adventure I feel that they have not really read the adventure, again just my opinion.

[Eosin the Red]

>>>> Druid wrote:

>>>> 1)I would like to learn some more about Roeles death and why Gorgon wants his sword? Has he taken his blood abilities?

The Gorgon may have Roeles sword - it is very likely that he does and the sword was broken in their battle.

>>>> 2)After Roeles death begins a period cevil war,is there any good character who wants the throne?

Good is relative in BR, much like real life. There are `good` men who want the throne and there are other `good` men who believe that the throne should be theirs. Bad men want the throne also and then other groups like the elves probably do not want anyone to have the throne. When all of these conflicting goals meet at that big, black iron throne there is bound to be bloodshed.


>>>> 4)May i learn some more informations about the 12[lost]!Do we know who are they and where they live?

I, also, would like to know more (pet theroies about the lost). I emailed my own pet theroy to Morg a few days ago to get his take on it. I would be glad to run it by the DM types - right now it is a 2?-3? page doc that includes 18 months of blind action. [Blind action = does not include responses to potential threats.]

Eosin

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[Raesene Andu]

Originally posted by Eosin the Red
I, also, would like to know more (pet theroies about the lost). I emailed my own pet theroy to Morg a few days ago to get his take on it. I would be glad to run it by the DM types - right now it is a 2?-3? page doc that includes 18 months of blind action. [Blind action = does not include responses to potential threats.]


More information on the lost is also something I think should be seen. It doesn't really fit in the Atlas of Cerilia, but perhaps in an expansion all of its own...

Like more people I have a few theories, as well as sketched out ideas for the 12 sorcerers, how they gained their power, why they ended up in the Shadow World, and why they can't return to Aebrynis without considerable difficult. I even have a very rough draft of a shadow mage class that can be used for the Lost and those who seek to follow in their footsteps.

Eosin, I would be very interested in seeing your ideas, to see if you are thinking along the same lines as me.

[Eosin]

I was going to e-mail it to you but there is no e-mail function from the board?

[Peter Lubke]

On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 11:01, Eosin the Red wrote:

>>>> Druid wrote:

>>>> 2)After Roeles death begins a period cevil war,is there any good character
who wants the throne?

Good is relative in BR, much like real life.

Actually as BR was written for AD&D, and good is defined in absolute
terms for AD&D -- "Good" as defined in BR (alignment-wise) is absolute
not relative.

But good as a general adjective - useful for describing almost anything
including many things other than alignment -- yes, well might you ask
"What do you mean by - good? good in what sense?"

There are `good` men who want the
throne and there are other `good` men who believe that the throne should be
theirs. Bad men want the throne also and then other groups like the elves
probably do not want anyone to have the throne. When all of these
conflicting goals meet at that big, black iron throne there is bound to be
bloodshed.

"Bad men" ? c.f. "Evil Men", ... I doubt anyone with purely altruistic
motives seeks the Iron Throne. And most that would seek it would have a
view of themselves as "good" men, even if the truth were otherwise. As
well, they would most likely have to at least portray themselves in some
trustworthy outlook at the very least.

But "good" can also refer to capable.

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[Druid]

Guys i am a bit noob on Birhtright so i want your helps on some topics!If anyone has theories about the lost,send them via e-mail to me,plz!Who are they?Do we know their names?Could you tell me some of the swords abilities?Thanx!

[Eosin the Red]

> "Bad men" ? c.f. "Evil Men", ... I doubt anyone with purely altruistic
> motives seeks the Iron Throne. And most that would seek it would have a
> view of themselves as "good" men, even if the truth were otherwise. As
> well, they would most likely have to at least portray themselves in some
> trustworthy outlook at the very least.
>
> But "good" can also refer to capable.


Since English is the second language of the questioner, I kept the
description fairly complete but linguistically simple.

Eosin

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