Basic question- don't shoot me! :)

[Fizz]

Hi all!

It's been awhile since i've had a chance to visit BR.net. The 3E conversion looks quite good imho.

Please don't flame me for the following basic question... but... Based on the Cerilian Language card that comes with the original BR boxed set, i always thought that `Cerilia' was pronounced 'ke-RIL-ee-ah'. That first C is hard, as in cow. That's what the language card says.

Now, the 3E playtest document in the glossary says it is pronounced 'Se-RIL-ee-ah'. In my own collection of BR books, i can't find anything that says what the proper pronunciation is. How do you guys know it's an S sound instead of a K sound? What am i missing?

Thanks for the input.

-Fizz

[Azrai]

Well, as someone who had latin in the school: it depends on your taste. Both versions are ok. C may be pronounced C or K.

In a fantasy setting I would prefer the first version.http://smiliez.de/images/2218.gif

[DanMcSorley]

On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Fizz wrote:
> Please don`t flame me for the following basic question... but...
> Based on the Cerilian Language card that comes with the original BR
> boxed set, i always thought that `Cerilia` was pronounced
> `ke-RIL-ee-ah`. That first C is hard, as in cow. That`s what the
> language card says.
>
> Now, the 3E playtest document in the glossary says it is pronounced
> `Se-RIL-ee-ah`. In my own collection of BR books, i can`t find
> anything that says what the proper pronunciation is. How do you guys
> know it`s an S sound instead of a K sound? What am i missing?

I always pronounced it as a soft C because, um, there`s no reason I can
think of, darn you. That`s how I read it the first time and it stuck.
Not that I wrote the BRCS draft, but that`s probably how they got it too.

I don`t think `Cerilia` is an anuirean word, so there`s no pressing reason
to pronounce it with a hard C, but there`s no reason not to, either.
--
Communication is possible only between equals.
Daniel McSorley- mcsorley@cis.ohio-state.edu

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[Satanta]

well cerilia could be the elven name for the continent , since its called the same thing by all human nations(i think?) they probably learnt it of the elves. and elvish is based on irish and welsh , and c in both when at the begining of a word usually makes a K sound as in celt being pronounced Kelt rather than Selt.
Course im irish and i still read it as cerilia :)

[Ariadne]

Originally posted by Satanta

[...] and c in both when at the begining of a word usually makes a K sound as in celt being pronounced Kelt rather than Selt. Course im irish and i still read it as cerilia :)
In Germany the Celt are written "die Kelten", so there is no pronouncement problem. I would pronounce Cerilia "Serilia", but as Azrai said already: It's latin and so you can pronounce it as you want...

[Fizz]

Well, considering the wide variance in opinions here, i guess my question wasn't so basic as i first thought. Looks like half use the K, and half use the S, sound. Not sure which i like more. Thanks for all the input guys!

-Fizz

[irdeggman]

Actually by my count I see 4 soft "C"s {S} and no hard "C"s {K}. Although most everyone said there was no clear cut way to determine the "correct" pronunciation. It is interesting the default seems to be the soft "C".

I've also always used the soft "C".:)

[ConjurerDragon]

irdeggman wrote:

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> irdeggman wrote:
> Actually by my count I see 4 soft "C"s {S} and no hard "C"s {K}. Although most everyone said there was no clear cut way to determine the "correct" pronunciation. It is interesting the default seems to be the soft "C".
>
>I`ve also always used the soft "C".:)
>
Just for diversity: I use neither K, nor S but a hard C, spoken like
Zerilia ;-)
But that´s just me and my german native tongue.
bye
Michael Romes

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[kgauck]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Romes" <Archmage@T-ONLINE.DE>
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:33 AM


> Just for diversity: I use neither K, nor S but a hard C, spoken like
> Zerilia ;-)
> But that´s just me and my german native tongue.

Often represented in English as tcerilia. Its why Czar is often written as
Tsar, and why old maps say Tczecholsovakia. Our "z" in English is a "sssss"
sound with vocalization, in the same way that "t" lacks the vocalization of
"d".

Kenneth Gauck
kgauck@mchsi.com

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[Green Knight]

>> irdeggman wrote:
>> Actually by my count I see 4 soft "C"s {S} and no hard "C"s {K}.
>Although most everyone said there was no clear cut way to determine the
>>"correct" pronunciation. It is interesting the default seems to be
the >>soft "C".
>>
>>>I`ve also always used the soft "C".:)
>>

>Just for diversity: I use neither K, nor S but a hard C, spoken like
>Zerilia ;-)
>But that´s just me and my german native tongue.
>bye
>Michael Romes

Well here is another one with a Germanic tongue. I`m Norwegian, and I
fell into using the hard C when I first started pronouncing it...

Cheers
Bjrn

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[Arjan]

Originally posted by The Green Knight


>> irdeggman wrote:
>> Actually by my count I see 4 soft "C"s {S} and no hard "C"s {K}.
>Although most everyone said there was no clear cut way to determine the
>>"correct" pronunciation. It is interesting the default seems to be
the >>soft "C".
>>
>>>I`ve also always used the soft "C".:)
>>

>Just for diversity: I use neither K, nor S but a hard C, spoken like
>Zerilia ;-)
>But that´s just me and my german native tongue.
>bye
>Michael Romes

Well here is another one with a Germanic tongue. I`m Norwegian, and I
fell into using the hard C when I first started pronouncing it...

Cheers
Bjrn

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And i am from another germanic language, we use the soft C..... actually i never anyone pronounce it as a hard C.

not that it is any help though, but a few years ago i created a pronounciation guid in flasf, spoken by R. Baker.. (unfortunately cerilia isnt on the list)
http://www.birthright.net/download/pronoun.html

hmm its pretty funny when you think about it
i pronounce Couranys, and Cariele with a hard C though..

i'll ask Rich how he pronounces it.

([_]

[Arjan]

Reply from Richard Baker:

I've always said it: Seh - RILL - ee - ah


Richard Baker
Managing Developer
Roleplaying R&D
Wizards of the Coast, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Arjan Duijs [mailto:arjan@birthright.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:25 PM
To: Baker, Rich
Subject: pronounciation of Cerilia


Hi Rich, this may sound funny after 6 years theres is a thread on BRnet on
how to pronounce 'Cerilia'. :-)
some say they pronounce it as: 'Ke-RIL-ee-ah' and some as 'Se-RIL-ee-ah'.
could you help us straighten this out?

Arjan

[Fizz]

Well, who am i to oppose Rich? :)
I always thought the S sounded nicer (less harsh perhaps), but that K was the proper way. It is nice to know, however, that this `basic' question required going to the top dog for the final answer. :)

-Fizz